Talk:Heart of a Champion (3.5e Maneuver)

Ability Burn
I just noticed ability burn was on there. That seems unwise, burn was the one "this is serious" permanent thing that expressly could not be healed unnaturally, and it opens things up for all sorts of abuse.

On a side note, out of curiosity, why did you make it a move instead of a standard action anyway? I figured the standard action cost was an intentional nerf to its usefulness. -- Eiji-kun (talk) 06:15, 18 March 2013 (UTC)


 * I may have to think a bit on ability burn, but since this can get you out of most of the important save-or-suck effects like paralysis, blinding, etc. I figure simply from a power perspective one won't be that focused on ability burn. That said, I can't think of many monsters off the top of my head that inflict ability burn as a condition, leaving that mostly to classes that self-inflict it in return for class features. As for the move action, that was mostly to make it fit as a Rush since previously it was one of those funky unclassified maneuvers. Since it removes everything that affects you at once and the morale bonus can't stack, there is zero incentive to use it multiple times per turn. That's admittedly not much of a concern, but making it a move action makes it much more versatile, which I personally think is a good thing.


 * I think the crux of the issue is that I do not have an intended balance level here (it would be Very High). Given that, I feel as though use of this particular maneuver (and spending half your turn to use it, essentially) is not that big of a deal for the level at which it would be used. - TG Cid (talk) 12:29, 18 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Ability burn is used often enough as a cost with a slow recharge time that it would be unreasonable to have a power that cures ability burn if you wouldn't also consider letting it cure "spell slots used". --Foxwarrior (talk) 19:26, 18 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Foxwarrior++. Burn is almost always a player paid cost to power their own stuff. It should not be a curable condition IMO. - Tarkisflux Talk 22:02, 18 March 2013 (UTC)