Talk:Electrical Torment (3.5e Feat)

I'd make this VH since it allows even a cantrip to inflict a -4 penalty to the only way fighter types can be effective. --Ghostwheel (talk) 01:25, 6 January 2014 (UTC)


 * You already changed it, but I just wanted to second that motion. -4 is reasonably harsh for casting a 2nd level spell with other effects already (though you could scale the penalty with spell level if you wanted, like "a penalty equal to -(2 + spell's level)" or whatever). It's not RNG smashing as is or anything, but it's almost a reason to play a VH evoker / thug debuffer on its own from levels 3-9ish. The non-lethal conversion is just causality -> prisoner changes; interesting but not the actual meat of the feat's ability. - Tarkisflux Talk 05:24, 6 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Half level penalty reduces the range on a blasting spell to -1 to -5, and I'm not sure that's VH anymore in conjunction with the new Fort save. It turns lightning blaster mages into lightning blaster / debuffer mages, and that might only be H. I don't have a strong feat comparison for this sort of thing though so I'm not really making a strong argument here (it's no DMM or Dragon Wildshape, but it's hard to compare directly with Robilar's or Stand Still or Stormguard), just pointing it out. - Tarkisflux Talk 08:23, 6 January 2014 (UTC)


 * I don't see the Fort save you're mentioning (other than the save on the spell) and the range is -1 to -4, not -5. That said, there is a comparison in several metamagics.  Specifically, Fell Frighten.  +2, renders shaken (-2, close enough for sake of argument).  This is that, anytime, with no mind affecting (though arguably traded for "pain effecting"), and no +2.  I think it still fits VH, but its now a much more reasonable VH.  As a blaster, I'd still take this when possible. -- Eiji-kun (talk) 11:01, 6 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Last two words of the writeup are "fort negates". - Tarkisflux Talk 16:21, 6 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Also, I meant that I didn't have any feat comparisons with those on the article balance page (because we'd argue about those less presumably), not that there weren't comparable feats. Maybe we should add some metamagic ones to the balance guidelines one of these days. - Tarkisflux Talk 18:14, 6 January 2014 (UTC)