Talk:Ghost of the Desert (3.5e Maneuver)

Creatures
Need more creatures. Decided on the formula of summoning creatures -4 or -5 CR smaller. Desert, fire, and wind type things needed. Either homebrew or SRD. -- Eiji-kun 12:26, 1 June 2011 (UTC)


 * There are no good options with the [Air] or [Fire] subtypes in SRD of Homebrew, and no good Desert terrain or Warm climate options in the SRD. Yay sortable tables. - Tarkisflux 20:00, 1 June 2011 (UTC)


 * So it seemed, I'd pretty much exhausted the SRD. If you make any suitable homebrew though, by all means add it. I'll be making some over a few days, things appropriate for Comp Sub anyway. -- Eiji-kun 20:19, 1 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Design question for you - most of the ToB powers seem designed to become obsolete and get replaced with higher level ones. You're not doing that here. Was there a reason for that? If not, why not just remove the higher CR stuff and let it get replaced with a different maneuver? - Tarkisflux 20:23, 1 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I think I can field that one - because it is a stupid idea. Martial adepts get precious few options as it is, considering the vast number of turkey choices throughout the book, and the fact that the 'tradeout' rules don't actually allow you to shed that many low-level things for high-level things. So basically, fixing a problem which shouldn't have existed. - MisterSinister 20:49, 1 June 2011 (UTC)


 * What about Blue dragons (assuming CR is +2 or +3)? Mature adult for 17, perhaps? Lamia for 11 (they are a 6). --Aarnott 21:15, 1 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Disagree that the idea itself is stupid, but I thought they could swap more than they actually can so I agree that it doesn't work in practice. So some level of scaling is certainly warranted, though I don't know that it needs to scale as high as it's listed. Thanks though. - Tarkisflux 21:51, 1 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Lamia is good to go, adding. As for dragons, the only reason I haven't added blue and brass is because I realized that dragons don't have pre-made monster entries, they have the dragon chart which lets you build one but that's a pain for summoning.  I need to figure out a way to make an example blue dragon and link to that. I geuss it'd just be part of homebrew but it's not really a homebrew monster.  NPC?  I honestly have no idea. -- Eiji-kun 22:29, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

(Reverting indent)While the idea per se is not stupid, as with many things WotC, the implementation was neither good nor consistent. Thus, I believe that the scaling in this case is quite appropriate.

In terms of the dragon - NPC would probably work. Call it something like 'Sample X Y Dragon' - thus, 'Sample Ancient Red Dragon' or something. - MisterSinister 23:13, 1 June 2011 (UTC)


 * If you are into the whole Dune or Tremors thing, SRD:Purple Worms are desert-y (for 17). --Aarnott 23:50, 1 June 2011 (UTC)