Talk:Equivallence (3.5e Maneuver)

Oh the Awkwardness
Surely there's some attack maneuver somewhere that would be ridiculous if you could make it happen a hundred times at once. --Foxwarrior (talk) 06:23, 19 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Anonymous Function Call on your race, maybe? --Undead_Knave (talk) 06:27, 19 December 2013 (UTC)


 * The party buffing possibility is intentional. Anonymous Function Call is amusing... though, it would all be the same effect, so if you wished for a hamburger, that would be all people of your species in 60ft recieving 1 hamburger, not 1 casting of limited wish. -- Eiji-kun (talk) 06:55, 19 December 2013 (UTC)


 * You mean, every single one of these thousand rats gets its own hamburger? --Foxwarrior (talk) 07:22, 19 December 2013 (UTC)


 * YOU get a hamburger! And YOU get a hamburger!  YOU ALL GET A HAMBURGER!!!!!


 * In all seriousness, the best way I could think of using this is turning one Wish for +1 stat into +1 stat for everyone, a steal moneywise but not a huge deal in the terms of the game. More important (and intentional) is using it for self buffs which you then spread around to your friends.  The only thing is of course, either you're burning scrolls with all the limitations therein, or you actually have class levels to pack in shapechange or something, in which case you're already high enough level to afford both high level maneuvers and casting, what are you doing not breaking reality already?  You're epic. -- Eiji-kun (talk) 08:32, 19 December 2013 (UTC)


 * But wait, Equivallence only says it copies attacks. What does shapechange or wishing for hamburgers have to do with it? --Foxwarrior (talk) 09:02, 19 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Potentially poor wording. It could be a heal spell, which isn't an attack per se, but it would be shared equally.  Maybe better wording is anything which affects a creature is spread across all creatures?  That cancels out area effects, summons, etc.  It's effectively short-term species specific affinity field, minus loop tricks.  Being a maneuver its less likely high level tricks in other systems like spellcasting can be pulled off unless you're very high level.  The example given though is with Anonymous Function Call, a maneuver just above this, which is basically Limited Wish with drawbacks.  "Summon Hamburger" is probably within the guidelines of limited wish, and in the example I give the fact that everyone would recieve the effect (summon hamburger) and not the spell (limited wish, do almost anything you want). -- Eiji-kun (talk) 09:10, 19 December 2013 (UTC)