Talk:MultiFeat (3.5e Feat)

NI Feats
Uh, I see an infinite feat loop here. Presuming you can meet the pre-reqs (and many feats don't have pre-reqs) you can keep going "I pick X and another multifeat." forever until you run out of feats you can qualify for. A number which can be very, very big. -- Eiji-kun 03:17, 10 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Because of the whole "three points higher" rule and any feat without prereqs counting as having a prereq of "character level 1" I think you're still limited to a finite number of feats. Assuming you did pick Multifeat and a feat with no prereqs every time, you would have to be character level 4 the first time, 7 for the second, 10 for the third, and so on until you can't take any more feats because your level is just not high enough. At least, that's how I inperpreted it. - TG Cid 03:31, 10 July 2011 (UTC)


 * See, I don't read that with the wording. Yeah you have to wait til 4th to start the loop but it looks like each time you get it, the pre-req is "Character level 4th".


 * I'm also shaky with the concept itself, but making sure you can't chain loop it is good. -- Eiji-kun 04:02, 10 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Cid has the intent right, but I think I know where you find the wording shaky and have updated it. Let me know if it's still not clear enough.


 * And let me know when you decide if you're ok with the concept or not, I'm down for some discussion on whether this is a good or bad thing for the game. The whole intention is to allow characters to choose alternate shticks later in life without having to retrain everything or start from the really really bottom of the pile. - Tarkisflux Talk 04:20, 10 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Since the text doesn't say you can get this feat multiple times, you cannot get it multiple times. The chain is not possible.  --Havvy 14:31, 10 July 2011 (UTC)


 * The intent was that you could gain it multiple times, but I forgot about the "acquire once unless otherwise noted" restriction. The line has been added. The type has also been changed.


 * I figure there has got to be some sort of broken behavior with this kind of feat, but I can't find it. Maybe taking feats that don't scale but pump other feats that do (psionic body + a bunch of psionic feats is still hardly broken though). --Aarnott 01:04, 11 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Is a feat that grants an ability with a scaling Saving throw, a scaling feat? --ParakeeTalk 01:50, 18 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Not really, unless they have some other factors that scale. I'm pretty sure "scaling feat" in this case means things like Tome combat feats, Archetype feats, and the like. - TG Cid 03:05, 18 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that's the intent Cid. Most of those feats don't have prereqs and being able to get a big pile of them at once at higher levels is problematic in ways that getting a pile of Skill/Weapon Focus (or just some other mid level fighter trick) isn't because they're generally good. I've altered the wording so that it should be more clear what sort of scaling feat is ineligible, and the feat referenced above would only fail if it gave you some ability other than the saving throw when some other condition was met. - Tarkisflux Talk 16:39, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Chameleon
How does this feat interact with a chameleon bonus feat?


 * I don't know where that's from off the top of my head. Where's it at? - Tarkisflux Talk 15:51, 24 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Prestige class from Races of Destiny which gives a floating bonus feat at level 2. - TG Cid 16:44, 24 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks Cid, just read it. It's unclear (to me anyway) whether you are allowed to reselect that feat to any feat that you qualify for, even those that you did not qualify for at the time you got it (because your BAB went up, because you have other permanent feats that open up new options, etc.), or if it works like any other retraining where you can only replace it with stuff that you could have gotten at the same time. My guess is it's a reselect, so I'd run it like that. Every morning you want to change it out, you erase it from your sheet and write in anything else that you qualify for with whatever is left over, which means you could pick a whole new (and potentially increasingly large as you level) MultiFeat array each day. If you want to run it as a retraining instead, that's already talked about in the feat. - Tarkisflux Talk 17:18, 24 July 2011 (UTC)


 * It is basically getting a new feat each day, and losing the old one. No carry-over from the last feat exists.  --Havvy 00:29, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * But suddenly we have like 4 bonus feats! Rather than one!ParakeeTalk 13:22, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * If you do that, it's all lower level/power bonus feats. I'm not sure why I should care more about that case than I do about the normal feat slot case. - Tarkisflux Talk 16:22, 25 July 2011 (UTC)