Talk:Child, Ideasmith Variant (3.5e Template)

CR Adjustment
The ability adjustments due to size change, they seem pretty severe. If you keep them as they are, a much greater reduction in Challenge Rating might be appropriate. Be Well 18:57, 5 July 2012 (UTC)


 * How much reduction to Challenge Rating do you suggest?--Ideasmith 01:06, 6 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I've not been a GM, and so can only offer a player's perspective.
 * The overall change = cut HD in half (reducing BAB, abilities, skills, and feats to reflect the new HD), cut speed in half (drop maneuverability by 1), cut natural armor by half and further reduce by -1 or -2, and reduce size by 1 category which reduces natural attack damage. In addition to this, you are adding in significant Str, Int, and Cha penalties (and minor Dex and Wis penalties). You boost Con, but I think the cut to HD more than offsets this.
 * As a player, other than in a few specific cases, I think the difficulty would be significantly reduced. Not quite free xp, but... The CR, which is normally used to determine xp gained, should reflect this.
 * I've not been a GM and don't know what would be a fair CR adjustment. Any GMs care to chime in? Be Well 11:02, 6 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Since no one else has suggested anything...how do you feel about changing this template to CR -3? Be Well 00:22, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Seems reasonable, though I would also have to change the CR of the Baby template. --Ideasmith 01:19, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * CR adjustment changed to -3.--Ideasmith 02:04, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Charisma Penalty
I just looked at your Pregnancy and Baby Template pages. I plan to look at your Fantasy Genetics page. A thought I had, copied from the Baby talk page...Re the Charisma penalty, children can't always strongly assert their personality, but they are very hard to ignore. Perhaps add in something like "for most purposes. When the child simply wants to be noticed, this penalty is calculated as a bonus, but only for catching the attention of others." I don't know if this is the right way to do this, but it seems fitting to represent this somehow. I know for certain that it is very easy to ignore adults talking/etc, but very hard to ignore children playing/etc (though most find it pleasant). Be Well 02:48, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * This would be highly kindred dependant. While human children could get the attention of humans and dire rat children would get the attention of dire rats, human children would not have that bonus with respect to dire rats, and vice versa. And giant spider children probably wouldn’t even get the bonuses with respect to giant spiders. I think this issue is best left to the GM.--Ideasmith 02:04, 12 July 2012 (UTC)