Talk:Death's Grain (3.5e Equipment)

Ratings
How is this an artifact? Isn't this essentially an exotic poison?--Tavis McCricket 18:44, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * its also a "no save, you die". what if you're immune to death effects and such? it should have a save attached. probably like dc 14 or something--NameViolation 22:05, April 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * Since this doesn't act quickly enough to be useful in combat (plus the fact that it's ingested as food) make it unworthy of being a poison. And since remove curse, etc. before the time elapses is all that's necessary to remove it, I wouldn't consider it any legitimate threat to a party at a level appropriate for minor artifacts. It seems more of a plot device that wouldn't personally affect the party than anything else to me. - TG Cid 22:39, April 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * Not even remove curse. Remove disease. This is basically an ingestion-vector poison with an aftereffect that requires resurrection to cure.


 * An amusing note: the way this is worded, if you happen to be immune to being turned into a mindless undead for whatever reason, you don't even die (since it doesn't say "you die and turn into a mindless undead"). It does appear to penetrate immunity to Death effects, and is actually able to affect vampires and liches who don't get treatment. :D --Quantumboost 23:24, April 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * but it says poison, which undead are immune to. otherwise DICK MOVE!!! Put holy wafers of it in a vampires mouth...poof hes a zombie, kill it. done. Same with lich. actually with a lich you could argue your soul goes to the phylactery and the body left behind becomes a zombie. but still the wording needs to be changed --NameViolation 23:48, April 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * Actually, no. The word "poison" doesn't appear one single time in the entire article. Although yeah, this would probably qualify as a disease, so undead would be immune. Still, death ward for instance wouldn't apply, since this isn't marked as a Death effect. --Quantumboost 23:52, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

Suggestions
--Tavis McCricket 05:26, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Could a player grow and cultivate Death's Grain? Effectively creating "Death's Crop"?
 * Would the pollen from "Death's Crop" cause people who breathe it in to suffer a similar fate (one could wipe out an entire country-side with such an item, much more effective than forcing them all to eat evil bread)?
 * If you eat it, it should be an immediate save vs. death (DC 14 Fort?), then, 2d4 hours later, have to save again.
 * If it's an artifact, shouldn't it do something omqwtfbbq-lost-my-socks awesome (like turn people into badass, yet still mindless, undead?)
 * Better yet, have people slain by the grain turn into Famine Spirits (pg. 96, MM2).