Talk:Hag Coven (3.5e Spell)

Summon
This is a bit underwhelming compared to Entmoot and Summon Monster. You might be able to spiff it up a bit. - Tarkisflux Talk 06:17, 10 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree. It was one of my first attempts at a summon spell, but summon monster has made it pretty close to obsolete. I'm thinking maybe it could have the additional effect of transforming you into a night hag-like creature, so as to complete the hag coven with a minimum of three hags. Even with that addition, since turning into a CR 9 creature is sub-optimal for a level 13 character, it is tough to put it on the same level as entmoot and summon monster. I'm open to suggestions on the matter. - TG Cid 15:36, 10 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Another alternative would be to remake the night hag as a more potent homebrew monster and then use that to replace the SRD night hag for the purposes of this spell. There isn't too much wrong with the base version, but it could be done. - TG Cid 15:44, 10 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, you could make the caster just gain the Coven part and maybe one or two Night Hag attributes. --Foxwarrior 16:56, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm... that would let you get three castings of mind blank from a 7th level spell. Wizards of the Coast is sometimes quite haphazard, aren't they. --Foxwarrior 16:58, 10 September 2012 (UTC)


 * That "obsoleting everything else" is one of my continued annoyances with the new summon monster, but I don't think I need to beat that horse much more. Dropping the level seems a reasonable option, but that just exacerbates Fox's concerns about SLA gains. So maybe drop the level, boost the duration, set it at 2 summons, let you act as the 3rd in the covey to access SLAs with a spell level of 5 or less (and maybe add similar SLA restrictions to the summon monster spell)? - Tarkisflux Talk 17:49, 10 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I think the summon monster obsoleting everything else is a mixed bag, sure. But it affords the ability to have one spell that can let you summon whatever you want to summon without having to worry about specific limitations other than those presented. It also presents an opportunity for spells like this one to go above and beyond the "oh, this just lets you summon X" schtick, which I think is where this will end up going.


 * As for Fox, yeah, that's pretty much one of things Wizards derped in giving the night hag. It may be more problematic than I first surmised, or just perhaps more worthy of a higher CR than I initially had in mind. - TG Cid 18:23, 10 September 2012 (UTC)