Talk:Mystic Cardshark (3.5e Class)

Balance
Without DM fiat (see: Oberoni fallacy) this class looks wizard-level. The argument that's made (ban spells like color spray or glitterdust) could be applied to the wizard as well, but doesn't make the wizard rogue-level. --Ghostwheel 22:50, April 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * If you want to make rogue level full caster, you probably need to write up a custom spell list. It will be much easier than going through all of the splat books to write up a list of spells that actually aren't on their lists, which is what you would need to do to make a strong claim of rogue level while also just saying that they have every spell in the game (basically). You could easily add your note to a wizard or cleric or druid, but that doesn't make them rogue level classes unless you actually put some teeth on it and remove the options from the classes. - TarkisFlux 23:19, April 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * Not much easier. In order to write up a spell list approaching the one described currently, I would have to go through a lot of splat books. I suppose just listing effects that the Mystic Cardshark can't cause wouldn't be enough: "Mystic Cardsharks cannot cast spells that cause paralysis, unconsciousness, panic, fright, stunning, dazing, blindness, death, or forced teleportation" --Foxwarrior 00:20, April 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * Fair enough. That'll probably work, though you may want to add grappling to that list. - TarkisFlux 01:25, April 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * I doubt that'd work to bring it under wizard-level. There are enough spells out there don't do any of those that are still wizard-level--for example, Solid Fog and its bigger brother Freezing Fog come to mind. Then there are all the charm/domination spells, and... well, yeah, the list goes on and on. --Ghostwheel 01:41, April 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * Amusing consequence of that wording: you can't actually fireball someone if it would take them below 0 hit points. ;) --Quantumboost 01:42, April 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * That could get quite confusing. If you're a level 10 Mystic Cardshark, can you cast Fireball at someone with 30 hit points? You might roll 30 or less. --Foxwarrior 18:53, April 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't suppose there are already some expansive spell lists with a variety of utility powers at Rogue level that I could shamelessly plagiarize? --Foxwarrior 18:53, April 30, 2010 (UTC)