Talk:Almost Level 20 Mystic Theurge (3.5e Guide)

Precocious Apprentice
By RAW, Precocious Apprentice defaults when you get a second-level spell for any class, be it arcane or divine. Thus, you could use Precocious Apprentice to get quickly into Cerebremancer, for example, but not into Mystic Theurge since clerics/archivists also cast spells and then you wouldn't be able to cast a 2nd-level arcane spell. --Ghostwheel 21:45, May 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * You are right, I assumed it worked only with Arcane spells, but it is not the case. Ezzetabi 22:22, May 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Fixed, I removed the `Precocious Apprentice trick' as it does not work. Thanks for noticing. Ezzetabi 23:08, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

What's it do for you?
What with the action economy, how does this let you be better than a sorcerer (for example) with a few wands or scrolls for utility spells along with minor UMD, especially taking into account that most encounters take around 3 rounds to beat, and most spellcasters only get through 1-3 spells per encounter? Where does the synergy come in? Why is this better than just going wizard or sorcerer / Incantatrix or IotSV or MotAO? --Ghostwheel 21:49, May 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * I am not even sure what you mean: the point of the Mystic Theurge class is incrementing both Arcane and Divine spell casting. The point of the page was trying to increment both Arcane and Divine spell casting for how many levels as possible. Ezzetabi 22:32, May 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm questioning if there's any point to being able to cast both arcane and divine spells when the power is comparable (due to the action economy) to a straight wizard, and less powerful than one of the wizard-level prestige classes I mentioned above. --Ghostwheel 22:55, May 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Your end goal appeared to be "maximize dual caster progression", and I think you hit that rather well. Ghost's optimization end goal is sheer power, and this doesn't do much of that because two list casting is a mixed bag and you don't spell out in rigorous detail all of the synergies and exploits. The two of you aren't really aiming for the same thing out of your optimizations. That said, as this isn't a specific build but a collection of them that hit your intended mark, I might move this down into the optimization guide section. - TarkisFlux 23:02, May 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, thats was the point. I guess the introduction was unclear: while I fixed the other problem I rewrote it. I hope that the goal is clear now. Ezzetabi 23:11, May 4, 2010 (UTC)