Talk:Psionic Monk (3.5e Optimized Character Build)

Sauce
Is this optimization based on this? They have the same basics. --Lord Mattos 23:07, February 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * Not really, I've had this build in a text file for a long time, and it didn't come from that. Furthermore, from the looks of it, that article is all over the place and doesn't know what it's trying to do, and kinda sucks. (6 levels of monk? Really??) Mine's short, to the point, and powerful where it needs to be and I show the numbers behind it. The other one looks like it fails pretty hard in most of those respects. --Ghostwheel 01:20, February 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Actually, the 6 levels of monk are to qualify for the Psionic Fist PrC. If you'll look over the highlights page, you'll notice it is actually quite effective. --Lord Mattos 02:11, February 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Compare 18 levels of psywar, stacking unarmed damage, flurry, and monk AC bonus, to 4 levels of monk and 10 of psionic fist; it's pretty easy to see which one's better *shrug* --Ghostwheel 02:16, February 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * I looked at the highlights page and it solidified my opinion; the examples there are skewed in the favor of the monk, the enemies aren't optimized at all, the combats are unrealistic, and there are enough custom items on there to make many DMs boggle. In short, there's not much worthwhile in there that this build doesn't already do, and better. --Ghostwheel 20:12, February 15, 2010 (UTC)

Size modifiers
You have both the AC penalties from Expansion and the AC penalties from the inherent size of the monster listed separately -- they are both of the "size" type, and thus should not stack. The way Expansion works is wonky; it gives its own size modifiers to attack and AC, but doesn't say that the normal ones do not apply. So you get the lower of the two between Expansion's size modifier and the size modifier inherent to the size you achieve, by RAW. Thus, an expanded Firbolg gets only the Gargantuan penalties, and an expanded Sun Giant gets only the Colossal penalties, those penalties trumping the ones that Expansion itself gives. --DanielDraco 18:14, 25 August 2011 (UTC)


 * You'd be right if someone was trying to stack Enlarge Person and Expansion; metamorphosis (and polymorph), however, is a different deal. --Ghostwheel 19:42, 25 August 2011 (UTC)


 * How so? I see size modifier listed in AC alongside Expansion's AC modifier, even though Expansion's AC modifier is also a size modifier. --DanielDraco 20:52, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Monastic Training
Another thing. The Monastic Training feat contributes nothing here, unless the character is planning on taking more monk levels once epic. --DanielDraco


 * It's a prereq for Tashalatora. --Aarnott 18:38, 25 August 2011 (UTC)


 * What he said. --Ghostwheel 19:41, 25 August 2011 (UTC)