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Are Images borked?
Is it just me, or did all the user uploaded images disappear? As seen in my article, Chained Sword (3.5e Equipment), the main picture is gone, and I made a second picture which the thumbnail does not show up on the page.The Dire Reverend 07:40, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
 * They failed to get transferred over. Re-upload yours if you have the permission to use the file.  --Havvy 08:00, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Is there no way the images can be transferred like the articles were? Losing them would be a significant handicap here, transferring them manually will be quite some work, I expect. Daranios 18:28, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
 * They can be. The problem is (from what I've heard) that most of the images are not properly cited, and we wish to avoid legal issues. --Havvy 19:57, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
 * If I find legitimately cited images, should I port them over? Or just go on a spree and mark all the pictures with proper citations with some note?  I could run around and do that, you know. - Aelaris 05:34, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * By all means, go ahead. --06:27, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Did I get it right?
I woke up today with the intention of finishing up some of my creature sheets, but ended up making some Artifacts instead. I've never made Artifacts before, so I want to see if I overdid it. Could someone take a look at it and tell me how I did. This isn't the only one I made today but it was the first. It is also my favorite one out of the ones I made. It's my first Artifact ever so go easy on me >.< Here is the link:

http://www.dnd-wiki.org/wiki/User:FiddleSticks96/FS96_Sandbox:Items

Sorry for the long link but I don't know how to hyper-link stuff. I'm allowed to post a link to my sandbox here right? FiddleSticks96 02:49, 2 January 2011 (UTC)


 * There are some ways to improve the formatting that can be remedied by making a table, but that's not really an issue. As far as its power is concerned, I would be inclined to say that it may even be a bit weak for a major, one-of-a-kind artifact (it's probably more acceptable if it's of the minor variety). In any case, I should post a full response on that page, not here. In line with actually answering the query on how to make a Wiki link, you use brackets to make them. So your same page would appear like so: Voila! (with whatever text you desire replacing "Voila". But as I said before, if you wish to discuss the balance of the artifact further it would probably be best to do so on the talk page for the article itself. - TG Cid 04:12, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Edit to "Chat" Section
Since I cannot edit the front page, could an admin add IRC://irc.mibbit.net/dnd somewhere to the section so that users who don't want to use Mibbit and know how IRC works can figure out where to go without getting on Mibbit? And yes, it seems odd for me to say this...but I'm looking for less join/parts and increased user satisfaction. --Havvy 18:01, 4 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't know what you mean with that last line, but meh. Edit made. - Tarkisflux 18:05, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Good vs Evil
I'm DMing a campaign right now and my players are making preparations to reforge an ancient blade called "Demonbreaker" in order to stand a chance against Nightshade, a powerful demoness, and her host of demons and save the peninsula from a literal hell on earth. Classic and unoriginal, I know, but the battle of Good vs Evil is just too epic to pass up. I am currently making exact statistics for Demonbreaker and Nightshade. The Fiendish Codex: Hordes of the Abyss has been a most useful book in this regard. While I was making stats I began to wonder...we have the Fiendish Codes I and II respectively and together they cover all things demonic, but why is there not a corresponding book for heavenly machinations? Maybe something like "Brilliant Divine: Hosts of the Heavens" or something like that? Hasn't anyone attempted to make such a book as of yet? Sure sure, the PCs are usually the good guys and won't pass up a chance to fight back against the forces of the Abyss and the Nine Hells...but...sometimes...the players are outright evil. Such players WORK with demons and devils and are more suited to messing with Heaven rather than Hell. You get me? FiddleSticks96 18:00, 8 January 2011 (UTC)


 * People here are working on all sorts of sourcebook projects. Actually they are kind of unsatisfied with the Fiendish Codices and other similar works in 3.5, so a while ago (before the codices, actually) two people on a message board I visit made the Tome of Fiends, whereas people here are working on Liber Demonica. Now, you'll aptly note those are more for demons and devils...


 * There has certainly been interest in creating equivalent works for the upper planes, both from the people on the first link and the people from the second. It hasn't been done though, for a number of reasons I won't get into here. If you're interested in seeing what's done so far, the reasons mentioned, or want to pitch in and help make something with the rest of us for the upper planes, I recommend you visit us in our real-time chat: click the link on the sidebar under "Community" titled "IRC Chat", or just click here. Surgo 19:07, 8 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Just chiming in (as one of the contributors to Liber Demonica) that Cid and I would LIKE to cover angels and their friends at some point in the future. However, how FAR in the future is questionable at present. - MisterSinister 23:56, 8 January 2011 (UTC)


 * There's a community project on the subject matter at hand over at the Giant in the Playground forums. Beyond its existence, I know nothing about it with regard to completeness, balance, et cetera, but it does seem to have garnered a fair amount of attention. -- Jota 06:40, 9 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Cool, thanks for the quick responses guys. I was certain I wasn't the only one thinking about something like this. I would like to help; unfortunately, my expertise is more AD&D than anything else. To top that off, if left to my own devices, I tend to get carried away when making high HD creatures, like angels and demons, as I have a much higher standard for what is considered power than most everyone else. As an aside, I have never gotten over the fact that they went as far as to make NPC sheets, very weak if you ask me, for the GODS. Even a lesser deity should be WAY stronger than that, but I digress. I will be watching both the Tome of Fiends and the Liber Demonica with great interest. By the way, the puns made in the Tome of Fiends were quite amusing. Always nice to see that not everyone's humor is dry and boring. FiddleSticks96 17:42, 9 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't worry too much about high power, seriously. We'd be happy to see any of your creations and maybe work them into a new book! Surgo 18:13, 9 January 2011 (UTC)


 * That's good to hear. As far as I can tell, my friends and I play at the Wizard Tier level. Don't play in one of our campaigns if you can't take the heat. FiddleSticks96 20:01, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Link to Wikia
Wikia does link here, but not on the main page: The main page does link to a forum page from where they link here. In my opinion, the link to Wikia is still useful, because those images that we still want to transfer are there (and someone might want to check on stuff there). That's why I personally would prefer to keep the link. Daranios 18:49, 9 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Wikia doesn't want links to spin-offs on the main page, which is why it was changed. -- Jota 21:00, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Reading the Preloads
I attempted to add the "Classes" portion of my sandbox today. When I went in to put up my Vampire Hunter class, I dutifully went to the preloads page as per the rules. This is were everything began to fall apart. I copy and pasted the preload and erased the appropriate lines. That was about as far as I was able to get. In terms of imagination, I am an A+ student, but I only got a C in Visual Basic, and I tried really hard to earn that C.

I tried to make heads or tails of the preload but it is extremely difficult to read. The Vampire Hunter class I am making is a Prestige class. It was so much easier to start building it in MS Word. Is there some kind of tutorial for using the preloads, because, in all honesty, I had no idea what I was doing. FiddleSticks96 20:01, 21 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Most of the preloads work the same way. Find the "<- Stuff goes here, and often there are instructions here as well ->" and replace that with the relevant bits of text, brackets and all. The brackets are just there to make it stand out. You can also remove sections entirely if you need or want to. But if you just replace that stuff / follow those directions you should be basically set, as the rest of the stuff there is formatting instructions.
 * You might see some "<!---"s floating around. Those are comment brackets, and are used to hide things on a page rather than indicate a place where you need to do some replacing. They should probably be ignored unless the section is inapplicable and you're deleting the whole thing. - Tarkisflux 21:24, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Feedback
I have just added 2 more major artifacts to my items section of my sandbox. The Fang of Nosaia and The Mail of Invincibility. Someone looked over my first one, The Trumpet of Crackling Glory. Their feedback was most insightful and helped me work the kinks out of it. I request that someone tell me what they think about the two artifacts I have added so I can get the kinks out of them as well. Here is the link:

User:FiddleSticks96/FS96 Sandbox:Items

Thank you so much for your feedback. FiddleSticks96 16:49, 22 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Usually the best way to get feedback quickly is to use our website's chat, which almost always has people in it talking. To do so, just click on the "IRC Chat" link on the sidebar under the "Community" header. Surgo 16:50, 22 January 2011 (UTC)


 * You already know about the chat of course, but I want anyone who reads this to know about getting the best feedback. Surgo 17:02, 22 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I hadn't thought of that. FiddleSticks96 17:07, 22 January 2011 (UTC)


 * This probably isn't the best place to announce new things that you'd like feedback on actually, as this page is used more as a discussion of the main page itself and other larger wiki issues. Aside from asking in chat or waiting for users to find it in the Special:RecentChanges, you could also add the template to your sandbox, which will make the page show up in a special list for articles specifically requesting feedback. Hope that's a helpful option for you :-) - Tarkisflux 17:20, 22 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry about that, I am still new to this site and don't know where to find everything. FiddleSticks96 17:41, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Task?
What does this mean, in layman's terms? "Migrate the 4e section away from DPL querries, and update the semantic properties of the 4e templates and preloads." -- Techpriest88 15:19, 29 January 2011 (UTC)


 * The programming language this Wiki uses is being updated/modernized, and one of the results is making 4e articles less ugly-looking. There's a lot of carry-over from the older sites that these were transferred from, including a lot of categories and properties that are meant to assist in Wiki navigation but don't work here because we are using the different language (there may be another more technical reason, but I don't know it). At least, I'm pretty sure that's the gist of it. - TG Cid 15:47, 29 January 2011 (UTC)


 * More or less Cid. The old stuff is still supported, we're just trying to move to a setup that does everything we cared about with the old stuff did as well as allow us to make better nav tables and do on-the-fly custom searches. So in layman's terms it means replace one set of code with another that lets us do more. - Tarkisflux 21:23, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Mibbet's FUBAR
As I'm sure most of us already know, Mibbet is totally borked at the moment. I for one cannot even get a chat screen when I log in. If this is a persistent problem for others, I'm wondering if we have an alternative until Havvy and his people get whatever ailment it is currently suffering settled. - TG Cid 19:13, 17 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I actually have no real power to stop what is happening, and axod has very little. We aren't exactly sure what it going on.  If irc.mibbit.net fails for you, try the following:


 * Log in through Mibbit. I'm not quite sure why, but the attacker usually cannot block www.Mibbit.com -> irc.Mibbit.net connections.
 * Use one of the following:
 * irc.uk.mibbit.net
 * irc.nj.us.mibbit.net
 * irc.ca.us.mibbit.net


 * --Havvy 00:59, 18 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Wait wait wait... the ATTACKER? You mean this isn't Mibbit being down but someone trying to DoS us?  Wow, I wonder who got butthurt, or if it's related to the spamwave we got.  Oh well, egos on the internet and all.  Still I'm curious now, tell me more. -- Eiji-kun 02:05, 18 April 2011 (UTC)


 * No, it's an attacker on Mibbit's side, not DnD-Wiki's. --Havvy 02:22, 18 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Ooooo. Ok, still butthurt, but an unrelated butthurt.  Hopefully Mibbit kicks them to the curb soon. -- Eiji-kun 02:25, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

What happened?
Was I the only one who wasn't able to access this site for a week? If not, than what happened? Was the site down for maintenance? FiddleSticks96 20:06, 16 May 2011 (UTC)


 * It was down for everyone this weekend due to issues on the hosting side. - Tarkisflux 20:13, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Spambots
I have a solution to the spambots, which is a type of captcha, but not so much of a pain in the ass that you can't read the text. From my understanding, it has worked for http://nethackwiki.com. They use a specific captcha that they coded specifically for their wiki (I'm sure if I ask nicely I can get a copy). It will ask you a question related to nethack which should be common knowledge (from some from of questions database). For example: "What symbol represents a floating eye in NetHack?".

If I can get a copy of their captcha, we can recode it with some very simple D&D related questions (maybe randomized multiple choice?). ie:


 * Which of the following is a 3.5e rogue class feature: a) sneak attack, b) rage, c) spellcasting, d) power points
 * Which of the following is a 3.5e monk class feature: a) evasion, b) flurry of blows, c) turning into a colossal++ wyvern via the metamorphisis power, d) all of the above

The second one is a joke, btw.

Sure, it discriminates a bit against people that have little to no D&D experience. On the other hand, we can provide a link that tells them to just make an account if they don't want to answer the captcha questions.

Thoughts? --Aarnott 15:43, 18 May 2011 (UTC)


 * That would be good (the spambots seem to be adapting again after all). No idea on what the questions would be. -- Eiji-kun 16:04, 18 May 2011 (UTC)


 * It's supported by the confirmedit extension that we currently have installed doc here. If we get a list of questions together I'll code it and pass it along to Surgo for implementation. - Tarkisflux 16:41, 18 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Some questions for you folks:


 * What dice type is used for attack rolls in DnD? a) d20 b) d6 c) d8 d) d12
 * Which of these classes is not in the SRD? a) monk b) rogue c) truenamer d) fighter
 * What is the lowest level a player character can be in DnD? a) 4 b) 1 c) 0 d) 9000
 * A "fighter" is an example of what? a) a race b) a class c) a feat d) a weapon
 * Which of these skills is not in the SRD? a) Use Magic Device b) Spot c) Iaijutsu Focus d) Bluff
 * What does BAB stand for? a) Base Attack Bonus b) Base Angel Beat c) Blue Animal Bed d) Bonus Argument Belief
 * What tabletop RPG system does this wiki cater for? a) GURPS b) DnD c) FATAL d) Shadowrun


 * Figured I'd help out. - MisterSinister 21:55, 18 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I just looked at the questy captcha implementation again, and it's not multiple choice. So if we really wanted multiple choice, and I don't think it's a good idea actually, we'd have to find an extension that did that. These questions could be reformulated to include the options though, like "Which of the following classes is not in the SRD: Fighter, Monk, Warmage, or Ranger?", and then the answer would need to be typed in (and would probably be case sensitive). - Tarkisflux 22:06, 18 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Edit - We could go with a different extension entirely actually. The Asirra Extension is an implementation of an MS anti-spam measure where you have to select all of the cat or dog pictures from a set containing both cat and dog pictures. I don't know if this would be more or less annoying than typing the answer to a question, but it sounds less vulnerable to brute force or manually generated list attacks against a limited question set. - Tarkisflux 22:10, 18 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm pretty certain any type of captcha would be sufficient. I just suggested that one because it is convenient for an actual person (unlike a lot of image-text captchas out there, which are annoying). I'm pretty sure (just seeing spam on other wikis I watch) that there is a bot that spiders the internet for mediawiki sites and tries to spam sites that have unprotected IP edits and user creation.


 * Also, multiple choice can work if we want to make the answer to the captcha "a", "b", "c", "d", or "e". Further, we could rearrange the multiple choice answers and still use questy captcha. Whatever is easiest for implementation but also isn't (much of) a pain for real people. --Aarnott 22:35, 18 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Edit - what I mean by that can be explained using this questy captcha code:

$wgCaptchaQuestions[] = array( 'question' => 'What dice type is used for attack rolls in DnD? a) d20 b) d6 c) d8 d) d12', 'answer' => 'a' ); $wgCaptchaQuestions[] = array( 'question' => 'What dice type is used for attack rolls in DnD? a) d6 b) d20 c) d8 d) d12', 'answer' => 'b' );


 * So we can do multiple choice. But really the cat/dog thing is probably easier to implement (just an extension) and just as easy for actual users to use. --Aarnott 22:40, 18 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I could have sworn I posted on this. Anyway, as I was saying I'm down with the cat/dog images, or whatever image sets we do.  Not that it effects me nor that I would fall for it, but I have to consider what if some particularly unusual person didn't put in "dog" when they see a dog and they put in "german shepard" which may be technically correct but not what we were looking for.  Or they see the color pink and they put in "salmon".


 * Course, no system would be perfect and thats a small issue IMO, but I figure I'd bring it up anyway. -- Eiji-kun 23:40, 18 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Dropped of the face of the planet for a bit (I blame combinatorics :P). I've tested out the cat/dog Asirra extension and it is perfect. The only thing I found a bit annoying was that you have to look at 12 photos. Luckily we can just change that value using $wgAsirraCellsPerRow to something more manageable like 6 photos. That would be enough that it wouldn't be super annoying, but it also would be pretty certain to stop the spamming. --Aarnott 13:48, 26 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I'll ask Surgo to install the Asirra extension then.


 * In other news, I spent some time tracing the ips associated with the spam yesterday, and they're all run through the same hosting service. I'm looking into a way to just block that host, which would also pretty much kill our spammer issue. - Tarkisflux 16:31, 26 May 2011 (UTC)


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 * CAPTCHA is the only way yeah,
 * Spambot host your game is through cause now you have to answer too, 
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 * So lick my butt, and suck on my balls,
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 * What you going to do when we posts now, 
 * it’s the dream that we all share; it’s the hope for tomorrow


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 * (Ends with an epic guitar riff)


 * (If you could tell, I'm really happy to hear that Tarkis. :D) -- Eiji-kun 17:53, 26 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Yay song! Glad I could brighten your day Eiji. Surgo has been asked to install the extension, and it should be up shortly-ish. I have no idea if or when the host blocking will come online, as there doesn't seem to be an easy way to block them short of doing rather wide ip range blocks... which is less than ideal. - Tarkisflux 18:49, 26 May 2011 (UTC)


 * New capcha is up, but Aarnott was wrong in that we can't turn down the number of pics required for authorization (the setting referenced only changes their layout). So we're stuck with the somewhat annoying 12 photos. Talking it over with Surgo still, but we might look into an alternative. Until then, I guess we'll see what happens with spam. Sorry in advance to any user affected by the change who has not confirmed their email :-/. - Tarkisflux 21:35, 26 May 2011 (UTC)


 * It looks like I was also wrong that it would fix the problem. Which really surprises me. It must be a pretty sophisticated bot. I'm going to do some research to see what else can be done. --Aarnott 15:13, 8 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Surgo reverted the capcha to the simple capcha. He felt that the assira one was overly obnoxious since we couldn't reduce the number of visible pictures. While we had it running though we had 0 instances of spam (for the whole 2 days). Since most of these bots are from the same host and they are starting to re-use ips, I've been doing range blocks (using the CIDR notation for the block assigned to the host, thanks ARIN!) and perma-bans. I thought it was working up until this morning :-/ - Tarkisflux 15:20, 8 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Nevermind on the not working, it probably is (if slowly). The two recent spammer ips were only given 2 week blocks by Gan originally. They, and all other ips on their subnets, are now perma-blocked. Hopefully they'll run out of unblocked ranges sooner rather than later. - Tarkisflux 15:25, 8 June 2011 (UTC)


 * What will happen if someone uses a proxy?--ParakeeTalk 17:45, 8 June 2011 (UTC)


 * We have special server magic that causes computers attempting to access us through proxies to melt down. Also, the proxy would be blocked when it showed up. My guess is that the ips currently being blocked are proxies actually. It's stupid whack-a-mole right now, but since they're mostly all coming from the same hosting company I'm hopeful they'll run out of blocks. - Tarkisflux 17:59, 8 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Is there a way to make it auto-target the captcha box when editing so that people don't need to click on it when editing and can just enter the number, etc? --Ghostwheel 22:53, 12 June 2011 (UTC)


 * UPDATE - Surgo has turned the Assira (kittenAuth) back on, since Simple has been broked. It should trigger only for new pages, url adds, and account registration for non-confirmed users only. You should be able to do regular page edits without it, even if your account is not confirmed. Hopefully it's not too annoying for anyone and spam accounts drop substantially. Report any problems on my talk please. - Tarkisflux Talk 23:36, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Main Page Update
With the RC abolished and the new rating system in place, I think it's time to get the Main Page updated to show off our favorite articles. I've been trying to find a setup that looks good and doesn't cause the intro or the favorite to get lost on the page, and think I've finally found one that works. You can check it out here. Comments on the setup would be nice, and you're welcome to contribute your own alternate arrangement if you have something else in mind.

I'd like to get the Main Page swapped out in the next 30 days or so, but that will get pushed back if we need to of course. - Tarkisflux Talk 00:19, 18 September 2011 (UTC)


 * One thing that's bugged me about the current main page is scrolling. It's a bit of a minor thing, but I'd like to mention it off the bat. Main pages shouldn't ever have scrolling and hopefully be as concise as possible. If this means writing a shorter version of the intro paragraph, that's fine (or trimming it down to the essentials and then having an About Us type page that expands on it). The new proposed main page look comes pretty darn close but it is a bit text heavy. Also, do you want me to do a new image that fits within some sort of new shape, like a small top banner? The old one was a massive space hog (which was a source of annoyance for me as well). Actually, we probably don't need a "constant" image so long as the community favorite article shows up. Also, this isn't a point for the Main Page, as it's on every page, but those three links at the very bottom of every page are very out of date and basically all useless or misleading. --Ganteka Future 01:06, 19 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not opposed to trimming text on the main if it comes down to it, but knowing what screen width to trim for has kept me from attempting anything. If you have a width in mind I'll set it as fixed and make things fit. And the intent was to replace the current dragon with an image in the favorite, but I'm not opposed to a new image bringing up the bottom of main for those with wide resolutions.


 * What 3 links are you talking about? - Tarkisflux Talk 01:16, 19 September 2011 (UTC)


 * If you look all the way at the bottom of the page you shall see the three links: "Privacy policy", "About Dungeons and Dragons Wiki", and "Disclaimers". All of them lead to empty pages. --Foxwarrior 02:16, 19 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I thought those were filled in actually. Yay... something else to work on.... Should have those up by the end of the night. - Tarkisflux Talk 04:32, 19 September 2011 (UTC)


 * And done. - Tarkisflux Talk 06:46, 19 September 2011 (UTC)


 * With the About page filled in, I went ahead and thinned out the intro on the main revamp and added a pointer to it. I think it works quite a bit better that way, and I like the revamp quite a bit more now. It might even be non-scrolling for a large number of resolutions. - Tarkisflux Talk 00:15, 20 September 2011 (UTC)


 * 1680x1050 and it scrolls here (though mostly due to the tribute). Not many people are going to non-scroll atm I think. Surgo 14:50, 22 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't have any other revisions in mind that would eliminate the scrolling, so I'm not going to worry about it. If there aren't any new objections I'm going to go ahead with the replacement in a couple of days. - Tarkisflux Talk 23:02, 6 October 2011 (UTC)


 * The help section seems a bit technical. It would be better if they were oriented at content-creating people. "Add your homebrew" or "Add an encyclopedic article". --Havvy 08:13, 8 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it's been like that for a while now. Updating along the lines you're suggesting is on my list of things to update, I just haven't gotten to it yet. Feel free to beat me to it if you like. The intent was to put those up as well as a random link (for proofreading and rating), with the more technical stuff hidden on the subpage behind a noinclude. - Tarkisflux Talk 08:21, 8 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Edit - Actually, nevermind. I've removed the section and moved News up, and will clean up the Community Portal page to turn it into a Tasks page and link it in the intro blurb later. Shortens the main a bit, and allows us to have a reasonable task list without using valuable main page real estate. - Tarkisflux Talk 08:29, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Is there a place that lists all the extensions used on this wiki?
I am just curious as to what extensions are used on this wiki, because I am currently making a wiki of my own (don't worry, I am not trying to steal all of your users). The Dire Reverend 14:55, 12 December 2011 (UTC)


 * You probably want Special:Version :-) - Tarkisflux Talk 15:57, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Move Me
To the deletion policy discussion page. Don't know where that is or I'd post this there. That said, had an idea--what if something is so bad it gets like 5 dislikes rating; can we have a policy that it be deleted expeditiously or forced to sandbox or something? :-D --Ghostwheel 01:15, 16 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I support deletion. - MisterSinister 01:21, 16 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I support Sandboxing becaus it might be somthing the author would like to learn from, to build on and to change... also to avoid 5 man dislike deletion squads... Wildmage Talk 12:39, 3 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Sandboxing is what we went with, but if you want to see more of the discussion, you can find it here. - Tarkisflux Talk 16:39, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Rating and Suggestions
In order to encourage rating, would it be possible to have a Special page like 'Articles in need of Ratings'? It would make it much easier for me to find things to rate, and I suspect more people would rate things that way. We could even have a tag that could be applied to pages that need rating.

Secondly, would it be possible to create a ranking page with 'Our Top Raters' to give people like Eiji and myself some recognition for (what I consider to be) important work, and perhaps to encourage more people to do the same? - MisterSinister 00:34, 7 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I think we had one of these before. In the end though, everyone wants all their stuff rated, so it gets filled up with tons of stuff that just stays there since people want as many ratings as possible. --Ghostwheel 05:00, 7 January 2012 (UTC)


 * A page of articles that need ratings would be basically impossible in our current scheme, since technically every page that you haven't rated needs rating by you. And like Ghost said, allowing people to list pages they want rated didn't work out too well last time. Since letting people tag pages is basically equivalent to that, I'd rather not do either of them. I wouldn't be opposed to people requesting specific articles be rated on their user pages, but I don't think that's the sort of exposure you're looking for. This is all subject to standard "me getting out voted" stuff of course, and if enough people want it we'll do it.


 * There are also some links on the Rating Articles page that might help narrow your work down a bit (here). I can also make tweaks to those links if you have suggestions for them.


 * As for a "Top Raters" page, I'll look into it. I could do one with manually added users already, but since manually adding new people sucks I want to see if I can figure out how to it another way. We could also make up some user page badges / awards that auto-updated via template for people to show off if they wanted. Aside from pretty images on those, I could have them made up in a day or so (they're easy). - Tarkisflux Talk 00:27, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Help with unreferenced material needed
Another round through the DnD Wiki material is done. Now most importantly there are a number of articles left, where I do not have and/or know (all) the sources. Here I need your help. Could anyone who is interested please have a look at these articles and add sources as much as possible? Most probably have valid sources, which are just not stated. Should we allow Canon articles without sources or make it a rule to only have sourced articles in the Canon section, as the cirterion for Canon material is, that it is based on published information? In connection with this: It was an aim of DnD Wiki to provide a short summary and a link for subjects that are covered specifically by another wiki with the same standards, e. g. the Great Library of Greyhawk. Should we postulate the same for Canon material? And if so, do we need sources for those summary articles, too? Thanks for your help and input. Daranios 18:56, 24 January 2012 (UTC)


 * There's a few articles in there that I could put up a source or two for. In general though, I'm not opposed to non-sourced material in the canon section, but wouldn't complain if it was restricted to only that.


 * I'm also pretty happy to continue the tradition of short summaries and pointers to more detailed wikis. I'd rather not try to recreate or just steal all of their hard work, and that seems the sort of thing where working with existing communities benefits everyone involved. I don't know that we need summary articles for every article they have out, but things sufficiently common to deserve a mention here should probably get that treatment. - Tarkisflux Talk 00:34, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Archive and Shortcuts
Do we have anything like an archive for old threads or the like? I would like to put some things from D&D Wiki into an archive, like old guidelines, and, in the end, the list of all material. If it does not exist, how would we do that and how would we link it? I also would like to ask if was possible to get short-cuts to Forgotte Realms, Eberron, and Spelljammer Wiki some time? This has already been discussed, but it has not been possible to do yet. If it is a great problem, we could decide to replace all short-cut syntax imported from D&D Wiki with normal internet links. But I still think, if possible, these short-cuts would be nice. Thanks a lot! Daranios 10:32, 4 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what you mean by old threads actually, so I'm really not sure how to accomplish what you want there. Can you provide an example?


 * As for the shortcuts thing, I really am waiting on Surgo at this point. There's pretty much nothing anyone else can do to get it installed. You may want to message him directly via the "email user" link on his page, maybe with both of us bugging him about it he'll carve out some time to get it done. - Tarkisflux Talk 20:47, 4 February 2012 (UTC)


 * :-) I might try emailing Surgo some time. I know this archiving procedure from Wikipedia, e. g. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dungeons & Dragons is regularly cleaned up and archived like in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dungeons & Dragons/Archive 31. And I would on the one hand like to empty the DnDWiki namespace completely, and on the other hand preserve things like DnDWiki:DnD:Mission Statement or DnDWiki:DnD:Categories or Dungeons and Dragons Wiki:DnDWiki import for future reference somehow. Daranios 10:59, 5 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Ah, ok. Those archives are just done on subpages of the main page. We don't have the tool that does the automatically, and probably wouldn't benefit from it, but if you want to make a new page in the canon section, like Canon:DnDWiki or something, to collect those things that should work fine. - Tarkisflux Talk 21:22, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Monster vs. Creature
I just realized that at the moment Category:Monster is used for the homebrew stuff, while Category:Creature is used for Canon. Would it make sense to put both together like it is e. g. for Category:Deity, or was there a reason for Category:Creature? Daranios 20:01, 9 February 2012 (UTC)


 * It may have been because we use the same category for articles about races as well as more monstrous creatures. I'm not really opposed to dropping it in favor of monster though. - Tarkisflux Talk 20:55, 9 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I see. The distinction between monster and race is not so clear-cut in Canon. So I would keep Category:Creature and just place Category:Monster and Category:Race within it. Daranios 20:21, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Imagery?
So what is the status on images not working? Is this a permanent issue with the current extensions in use, or is it a fix that Surgo has just not gotten to it yet? I have a couple of images that I wish to upload. Is this your way of telling me that you don't want my crappy images on the wiki? :-P The Dire Reverend 16:45, 15 May 2012 (UTC)


 * There's a fix that Surgo hasn't gotten to yet, and Aarnott does not yet have server access to correct himself. I expect Aarnott to get access within the next 2 weeks though, and should be able to get a fix out of someone shortly after that. - Tarkisflux Talk 16:55, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Articles in need of ratings
While randomsurfing for shit to rate, I came to realise that, if we want more ratings, one good way of making it happen would be to make the 'articles in need of ratings' be more prominent. I also thought about having a link (on the main page) to something like 'Random unrated article'. This would speed up rating considerably, as it would mean that people could be randomly (but still in a focused manner) drawn towards articles that need ratings as such, instead of just dogpiling something like what tends to happen. Thoughts? - MisterSinister 10:39, 16 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Special:Random doesn't work within a category, just a namespace (and due to changes on our backend, several namespaces for us), as far as I can tell. - Tarkisflux Talk 15:02, 16 July 2012 (UTC)


 * The and tags can display random text from a list. That can include a link to an article. There might be a way to automatically populate it with the articles in a category. Although I imagine that would require scripting, at which point I suspect you may as well use whatever randomization the scripting language offers. --DanielDraco 20:52, 16 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I didn't think of that actually, and could probably code it. But I'd rather do something less list intensive that didn't also require me to potentially refresh the default list page every once in a while. I'll see if there are other options for the same thing. - Tarkisflux Talk 21:57, 16 July 2012 (UTC)


 * There's an extension in beta for such a thing here. I'll discuss it with Surgo and Aarnott, see if we think such a thing is worth bringing in. - Tarkisflux Talk 22:09, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Author/rating template
Since I can't find the right place to put this, might as well do so here. IMO, *what* the article is rated at should be very easily viewable, and thus either the ratings should automatically be expanded, or we should have the average rating (or whatever's closest to it, or the average, or whatever) be displayed. --Ghostwheel 18:44, 24 July 2012 (UTC)


 * There was concern about authorbox length on the page that caused the box to be initially collapsed. As average did not win and display of ratings did, anything that involves the primary display of a different piece of information would violate the intent of the vote. The only options that I consider valid in light of the vote are "hiding box initially" and "not hiding box initially", and I think the images do a fine job of drawing attention to the collapsed box as is. - Tarkisflux Talk 20:01, 24 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Regardless, one should be automatically be able to see the general rating of a given article. Anything else makes it fairly useless. At a glance people need to be able to see what others think of an article without having to do more clicking in my opinion, regardless of how we do it, but it needs to be done. --Ghostwheel 20:15, 24 July 2012 (UTC)


 * They do -- provided it's a community favorite or community opposed. Surgo 20:46, 24 July 2012 (UTC)


 * First, if it's community opposed then the article is automatically sandboxed. Second, if you go on Amazon or Newegg or IMDB or IGN and start browsing, should you only be shown the best things? Nah, you get shown ratings for everything. --Ghostwheel 21:06, 24 July 2012 (UTC)


 * That would have been an argument for the vote, not here. The debate now is really between default-expanded or default-unexpanded. I imagine in either case we'd like to migrate to Tarkis's new Author template style. Surgo 21:16, 24 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Community opposed is probably going to get a 1 week grace period on the 'automatic' part, so it would display in main for a while. If you don't want that, say something in the discussion on rating articles.


 * That aside, I'm not actually sure what you want Ghost, other than "something different". I've already said what I consider valid approaches at this point. Do you want one of those, or is there something else that you think appropriate (preferably with a reason why)? - Tarkisflux Talk 21:19, 24 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Gonna have to side with TF on this one. The image draws your eye to it sufficiently well, and if you want to see the ratings it is easy as hell to just expand the template. The only increase in visibility I think we need is to show ratings on the listing pages. But that's another discussion. --DanielDraco 01:12, 25 July 2012 (UTC)


 * All I want is for the average, casual consumer to be able, at a glance, without clicking on anything upon entering a page, to see what the community thinks of it. Is it good? Does it suck? Should it be used in my game? Should I consider reading further to learn more about it?
 * That's about it. And I think it's just as important as the ease of rating that we pushed forward so strongly since it gives people immediate feedback on what they're reading and a sense of understanding of the community without having to put in the effort to find out what people think in general on every page. --Ghostwheel 04:17, 25 July 2012 (UTC)


 * So, expanded boxes by default? - Tarkisflux Talk 04:54, 25 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Works for me, that's all I wanted :-P --Ghostwheel 05:11, 25 July 2012 (UTC)


 * That wasn't me agreeing to do it, that was me asking if that was what you wanted since you never actually said as much. I don't think it's necessary at present, but that might change if the author box goes through some additional revision and there's other things in it to draw the eye. - Tarkisflux Talk 05:19, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Nav Pages: Suppress Stuff Lacking Summary?
Some articles still lack a summary property, which means they get a big fat blank in any nav pages. I propose having nav pages just suppress anything that lacks a summary, so we don't get this eyesore anymore. It might actually give an incentive for people to put summaries there, too. Surgo 22:01, 25 July 2012 (UTC)


 * That is really easy to do actually. I'm not sure it's a good plan though, since that's likely to make them forgotten and floating aimless in the main namespace. It might be better to start considering proper metadata, including summaries, as part of being a complete article, and flagging that that lack it as incomplete and sandboxing them instead. - Tarkisflux Talk 22:10, 25 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I am fine with that plan. Surgo 22:14, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Rating Thingie Changes
Just FYI, I look to add a "Back" button to the Rating Thingie so if it glitches / you're an IP you can go back to copy/paste your rating and not lose it. Surgo 15:47, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

CommFave rotation and category are a bit wonky
Stuff appears in the rotation that should not be there (notably Covering Fire) and stuff that should be in the category doesn't (such as the Shadow Magister). Could someone with more wiki-fu than me please look into this? - MisterSinister 20:44, 7 September 2012 (UTC)


 * At minimum we need to add community favorite blurbs to stuff in the category. Surgo 20:54, 7 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I just got Shadow Magister actually, so I know it's working. But there are lots of other favorites that don't have a blurb, or they do but they haven't been manually* added to the rotation, and those wouldn't show up. In short, there shouldn't be a 1:1 matchup between the category and the listings for a bunch of reasons, and if you get a favorited article it's your responsibility to write the blurb and bug an admin to make sure it gets added in.


 * As for things that shouldn't be there but are, a number of articles were grandfathered in from the old setup and haven't been pulled yet while we waited for them to re-qualify (like covering fire). Some of these do need to go, but no one has taken a close look at them yet.


 * * I could make this an automatic thing, but then we can't weight new favorites to show more often than older ones which was a stated preference at the time we were discussing it originally. There was also a desire to delay additions to rotation so that an article didn't get added and then lose it's status as more ratings came in, and we'd lose that too. But if we want to discuss making it automagical, this would be the place to do it I guess. - Tarkisflux Talk  21:09, 7 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Case in point - Warp shows up on the rotation, but when I click the category link at the bottom, Warp is not listed. - MisterSinister 03:11, 8 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Warp was grandfathered in with the other articles that were previously comm faves. It will remain there until the ratings on it have been updated in such a way that it no longer qualifies, or new ratings are added to it that cause it to by unlikely to qualify. The easy solution to that is for you to go and Love it of course :-p. - Tarkisflux Talk 03:48, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Alternative Licenses
So the wiki as a whole uses CC-BY-SA, but we allow specific pages exceptions in favor of OGL. What if an author wishes to release their material under some other license like CC-BY-NC-SA, or public domain, or even fully copyrighted with specific hosting permission given to the wiki? Is that allowed? I myself would very much like to be able to use CC-BY-NC-SA. --DanielDraco (talk) 05:55, 1 October 2012 (UTC)


 * You can license anything you write with whatever license you want. I'm not sure how we should handle annotating it, but there's no reason why you can't just do it. As long as it doesn't make the wiki liable for something, since we don't use a normal wiki's concept of multiple authorship, I don't see any problems. That being said, adopting articles could become slightly more complex with different licenses, but I'd rather just say that's a hurdle that probably won't be crossed anyways. --Aarnott (talk) 15:11, 1 October 2012 (UTC)


 * When this came up last time, Surgo said he was fine with people using any license that was less restrictive than CC-BY-SA but not more so. I don't know if he's changed his opinion on the matter or not since then. - Tarkisflux Talk 15:27, 1 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, maybe I was jumping the gun. It can be a maintenance issue if a user licences something, we want to keep it around, and it is more restrictive. It can also cause confusion for us on what things we are allowed to do with it. Specifically for the case of CC-BY-NC-SA, I really can't see a problem. The "non-commercial" aspect doesn't change how we'd work with and continue "publishing" such an article. --Aarnott (talk) 15:37, 1 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Here's the link to the previous discussion /Archive, where Surgo says a couple of different things. He can pop in later to expand, clarify, or update his view I guess.


 * For my part, I get wanting to to have the NC tag on the license but I don't really want to maintain more licenses than we already have. The OGL is okay because it's restricted to a couple of namespaces and worth it for the additional hosting options that it opens up. This proposed license change also doesn't have any value that I can see though, because of the way that copyright works with respect to text and game mechanics. What do you see as the benefit of the license DD? - Tarkisflux Talk 16:47, 1 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Someone showed me a book sold on Amazon that actually used articles of this very wiki as 3rd party. We didn't make a big deal out of it at the time. Take of that what you will. --Leziad (talk) 17:55, 1 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Did you retain a link? I'm genuinely curious, and I'd like to use it as a writing credit if they used my stuff. - Tarkisflux Talk 18:09, 1 October 2012 (UTC)


 * The reason I'd like to use NC is to prevent other people from capitalizing on my work in the fashion of that book. Or rather, I don't mind other people capitalizing -- so long as I retain my right to a fair share. It would certainly count as being more restrictive.
 * But I don't think Surgo would go so far as to claim the final word on anything (he is not Green Dragon), so of course this is something to discuss if there is disagreement. I can see two main factors to consider. First, the more permissive we are of differing licenses, the more content we have available. But second, if we require a minimum degree of freedom, we can then make general statements about content on the wiki. For instance, since all current material on the wiki allows derivatives, we can say as a general policy that you can copy material and adapt it to your purposes.
 * I would advocate loosening it somewhat. The default could remain CC-BY-SA, but I think a reasonable minimum degree of freedom would be to afford the rights of CC-BY-NC-SA to this wiki only. So that authors must, at the very least, allow derivatives to be posted here. That way we're not impeding our own community, but we're opening the door to people who might want to keep their intellectual property just a little closer to their chest. This opens us up to hosting a little more content that we otherwise might not get, or attracting more users who might otherwise be driven away by our quite liberal licensing. It also lets us at least be able to continue saying, "You can post to the wiki derivative works of any material you find on the wiki." --DanielDraco (talk) 20:33, 1 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Your suggested license breaks the SA clause, since you would be unable to share it as you wanted. Plus, I don't think the license you suggest exists in a standardized format, which means we'd be rolling our own in that setup. Which is not particularly heartening.


 * I'm pretty willing to defer to Surgo in this matter because he is the responsible party for the community in a legal engagement. Lots of wiki policy is up for discussion and refinement or adjustment, but if Surgo wants to put his foot down on legal stuff I'm going to back that call. He gets to choose what liabilities he opens himself up to while he provides us with this service.


 * But more likely than cause Surgo any headaches, such a licensing change would allow one of us to go after an infringer of our work. Which is a similar non-heartening situation. It's a civil issue, not a criminal one (despite industry efforts to change that). You could probably send DMCA C&D orders against sites that sold or hosted electronic copies, but you can't stop print distributions without a court order AFAIK. Both of which mean laywers and time, and a very small chance of return given the likely people you'd be turning them on. And since there is 0 penalty for the company to violate copyright if you don't take that sort of action against them, there isn't a lot of protection afforded by adding the NC clause. You're probably better off writing the company and telling them it's your stuff and seeing if you can work something out.


 * And this is ignoring the issue that copyright does not protect your ideas or mechanics, just your particular writeup of them. If someone felt like using the material without licensing it but wanted to not violate copyright (because they understand the issues or they're nice or whatever), all they have to do is rewrite it. It's a pretty small barrier in the games field.


 * So I don't really see a benefit to using a more restrictive license. People who want to ignore it continue to do so, profiting (or not) anyway unless I find them and spend my time and money to make them stop. People who want to work with it but don't want to cut me in or credit me will just ignore the license and rewrite it. - Tarkisflux Talk 21:18, 1 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I do not have the link sadly. It been quite a long time and I don't think I even saved the link, maybe you have luck if you browse amazon. --Leziad (talk) 00:24, 2 October 2012 (UTC)


 * My search-fu has failed me it seems. Stupid book.


 * Looking back over this, I think I came off a bit harsher than I meant to on the license stuff. For what it's worth, I would prefer the CC-BY-SA-NC license. I don't think it's significant protection, but I would have felt more comfortable with it. I just don't really want to worry about supporting it and having a bigger patchwork license setup. - Tarkisflux Talk 01:27, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

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You're right about the lack of an extant license that works like I described. That's an issue, unless someone on the wiki is by some miracle a lawyer willing to donate their time :P So I suppose I'll revise my position to advocating CC-BY-NC-SA as the minimum degree of freedom.

I am under no delusion that any homebrewers have the resources to legally protect their work. But that logic can just as easily argue against any license short of public domain. The licenses we apply amount, essentially, to saying, "Please don't", no matter the details. The question is what, exactly, we are allowing users to formally ask people not to do. I see every reason to allow users to ask people not to sell their work.

Regardless of the licenses we choose and allow, the wiki (and Surgo) is no more or less liable for copyright violations so far as I can see. If someone posts copyrighted work, that's a problem regardless of what licenses we allow. If someone violates one of our permitted licenses when they copy material here to an external sources, that's a problem regardless of what licenses we allow (and not even the wiki's problem). I see no way that anyone's liability is affected by the wiki's choice in licensing, so long as the wiki respects the licenses of others. I'm not saying it's not there, I'm just saying that I don't see it.

Implementation shouldn't be too difficult. For simplicity's sake, the default should certainly remain CC-BY-SA regardless of what is allowed. Adding in other license options is just a matter of throwing together new templates based on the OGL one, which should take all of five minutes. Things beyond that are just details, and not really vital -- a Project page should probably exist on this topic, and then maybe add some options to preloads. That's about it.

EDIT: Apparently we do have a Project page on this topic. So then it would just be a matter of altering it slightly. --DanielDraco (talk)


 * Link to an Amazon book that includes, at least, one article from the wiki (Decanter of Endless Kittens). --Dr Platypus (talk) 17:11, 2 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks Dr. P. It looks like there's a whole series of those, and like they just printed everything in a category. In order. It's a really crap job. Those are also all taken from Wikia (ugh), so a license change here wouldn't mean much for them.


 * But that sort of shovel ware is really disappointing and saddening. If someone was using my stuff because they liked it that's one thing. They'd possibly do some editing on it and would put it in a section of the book that made sense. But using my stuff because it was in a category you made a book from, well that's just a bullshit cynical cash grab. - Tarkisflux Talk 17:36, 2 October 2012 (UTC)


 * It's also a violation of the terms of CC-BY-SA, I might add, unless it contains detailed information about every author for every single article. As far as the possibility of additional license terms -- let me talk about it with you in chat, DD. Surgo (talk) 17:54, 2 October 2012 (UTC)


 * By the way, if anybody wants their articles deleted on Wikia, I'm still an admin there. --Havvy (talk) 04:33, 3 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Can you? Well then Havvy, you have my request for a full wipe of all my material from Wikia.  Scorch and burn friend, scorch and burn. -- Eiji-kun (talk) 01:27, 4 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Actually, it seems I lied. I'm no longer an admin there. You still are though, Eiji. --Havvy (talk) 06:15, 14 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I am? Huh.  Looks like I'll have to wait til I go to home; Wikia is so borked that it just can't load the editor with my (honestly only slightly) outdated work browsers. -- Eiji-kun (talk) 06:27, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Legend (and other alternate systems)
Moved to Project:Legend

Activity
Is it just me or has the wiki been really inactive lately?--TheDarkWad (talk) 02:22, 11 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Feel free to rectify this my creating more content. That said, I'm personally more-or-less done with 3.5, and am waiting for Legend to come out fully so I can start homebrewing for that. --Ghostwheel (talk) 02:31, 11 January 2013 (UTC)


 * It just after the holidays, so it normal if the wiki is a little inactive for some time. --Leziad (talk) 02:37, 11 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Personally, I'm in the middle of an accelerated course at college, so I haven't had much time to work on pet projects like homebrew. --DanielDraco (talk) 03:29, 11 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I think it's simply due to the time of year. School starting back up after the holiday season usually cuts down hobby time (and folks going back to work after vacation days in general). That said, maybe I'll rate some stuff... ---Ganteka Future (talk) 04:30, 11 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Not much left for me to do for 3.5 myself. I'd like to finish my poisons variant, but other than that...what really needs doing? Surgo (talk) 18:20, 11 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Well that's an odd question. It's a little like asking what stories are left to write. Half the work itself is in answering that question. --DanielDraco (talk) 19:32, 11 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Is anybody interested in expanding the Canon section? For interested authors, there would be lots and lots to do. Daranios (talk) 19:15, 1 February 2013 (UTC)


 * I lost interest after we couldn't agree on what would actually be useful for that section. --DanielDraco (talk) 03:23, 6 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Sorry to hear it. That, for sure, was not my intention. Daranios (talk) 17:06, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Relationships to related wikis
Within the Requirements for our Canon section it is proposed: If a campaign setting-specific wiki exists it should deal with that campaign setting, with Dungeons & Dragons Wiki providing "linker articles" only. However, after finding out that there are more such wikis than assumed when writing that guideline, and seeing that they greatly vary in quality, I would like to suggest a more specific treatment: Opinions? Daranios (talk) 16:51, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Eberron Wiki, Forgotten Realms Wiki, the Great Library of Greyhawk, Mistipedia (Ravenloft) and Legend of the Five Rings Wiki (Rokugan) are all large and useful. They should be treated just as described in the Canon Content Requirements.
 * Dark Sun Wiki, the Chronicles of Astinus (Dragonlance), Cyclopedia Mystara and Spelljammer Wiki are smaller and half-dead to dead. Their content should be transferred here, and those settings should be included in the scope of Dungeons & Dragons Wiki.
 * Birthright Wiki and the Planescape Encyclopedia are large and interesting, but have clearly a different outlook than our Canon section: Canon and homebrew is mixed, sources are not (always) given. Thus those two campaign setting should be included in the scope of Dungeons & Dragons Wiki (while articles about those settings should give links to the respective article of the specialized wikis, where appropiate).


 * I can pretty much agree with this in its entirety. Articles can be transferred in their entirely, including history, with Special:Export on a wiki. I'll make sure the licenses are compatible. Surgo (talk) 16:55, 28 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Thirded. Good call Daranios. - Tarkisflux Talk 17:30, 28 February 2013 (UTC)


 * All listed wikis in the second bullet are CC licensed and can be imported freely here -- just be sure to include the page history. Surgo (talk) 18:53, 28 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Great! Can the export/import be done by someone in a mass way, like it was done when incorporation D&D Wiki? If yes, should each wiki's content then be imported in a certain namespace, again like it was done for D&D Wiki, where they can successively be moved into Canon upon adaption? (Given that we can delete namespaces afterwards, otherwise we might clutter the wiki. BTW, can the DnDWiki-namespace be deleted? It's empty, in any case.) Daranios (talk) 14:10, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
 * If we shall transport those articles over, can we please clearly state where they come from? Thus we could aknowledge the original places in addition to preserving the article histories. Daranios (talk) 09:21, 2 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Transferring them all in one go -- I think you can use Special:Export and just paste the results of Special:Allpages. Then when you import them, import them into the DnDWiki namespace. I figure there's no need to make a new one when we already have one up for the task :P Surgo (talk) 19:17, 2 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Yeah, good idea. Ahm, could you please tell me how I can import into a namespace except Main? Daranios (talk) 19:05, 4 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Woops, I thought that Special:Import could do it. Looks like it can't -- I'd need to do it manually using a maintenance script on the server. It's no big trouble for me to do so, I'll just need you to give me the dump from Special:Export somehow. Surgo (talk) 22:07, 4 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Okay, just took a look...the situation is a little more complex than I thought. Still, send me the dump and I'll see if I can do it. Surgo (talk) 22:09, 4 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I am dumb here: How can pass it on to you? I cannot upload the export as it is an xml file. - Anyway, if this should prove excessively difficult to handle, I could also load the pages into main and move them to DnDWiki namespace manually. It will be a number of articles, but still doable. Daranios (talk) 17:27, 5 March 2013 (UTC)


 * You can upload the file to a place like RapidShare, or whatever the modern equivalent is. Alternative, how big is the file if you zip it? We might be able to send it by email. Surgo (talk) 18:27, 5 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Ah, nice, zipped it is just 175 kB. How can I reach you? Daranios (talk) 18:35, 5 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Or even easier: I have updated the List of Spelljammer Wiki articles. If you could just take that list to make an export file yourself and import it to the DnDWiki namespace? Thus we could start out with Spelljammer Wiki. Daranios (talk) 15:23, 9 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I think I missed the message. I will do just that, or if you want to send it to me my email address is morgon . kanter @ gmail (without the spaces, and add .com to the end). Surgo (talk) 17:23, 9 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Recently I have received positive feedback from the main administrator at the Chronicles of Astinus (Dragonlance), so maybe we should do the mering with that wiki first. Daranios (talk) 14:36, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Permanency Template
Figured I'd bring this up first before trying to tackle any implementation myself (my record of making complex templates usually ends up requiring assistance anyhow). Simply put, I thought it would be nice if we had a little template with a couple of properties to plug in for homebrew spells that can be made permanent with the permanency spell. You'd really just need properties for XP cost and minimum caster level. Though, perhaps a property for what it can be cast on (self, target creature, object or area) for proper sorting. If there isn't any objections, I can try and set it up myself (with the proper "this section is for homebrew" on the permanency spell's page like we've done for some other things). Any thoughts on this from anyone? --Ganteka Future (talk) 22:55, 3 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Sounds great to me! Surgo (talk) 00:59, 4 April 2013 (UTC)