Talk:Improved Ardent (3.5e Alternate Class Feature)

Why?
I think the ardent is not only fine, but among the strongest of the psionic classes. Why are we changing it again...? --Ghostwheel (talk) 18:51, 30 January 2014 (UTC)


 * The ardent is severely lacking in VH level game without using substitute power cheese. Beside it well below the psion, erudite (especially spell to power) and pathfinder wilder. Not only that but the ardent suffer from terrible ruling (especially when it come to multiclassing) to the point where their primary mantle rules start become heavy and cumbersome midgame. This variant do not offer more power but also more variety to the ardent arsenal, which is needed to be competitive and participate with your group fully in VH play (unless you can nova like a wilder, in which case you are probably fine). --Leziad (talk) 20:07, 30 January 2014 (UTC)