Talk:Epic Spells from a Practical Viewpoint (3.5e Other)

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This could become a guide.--Franken Kesey (talk) 01:18, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

2 minutes versus 5 minutes

I challenge you to contrive a situation where a level 21 party uses normal class- and item-derived resources to drag out a battle for 20 rounds, but could not use those same resources to drag out the battle for 50 rounds instead. --Foxwarrior (talk) 02:26, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

At epic levels, I'm sure that most creatures have a lot of potent defenses. I unfortunately haven't poked around enough to cite any specifics. But epic attacks are potent as well, and there's a big difference between enduring 20 rounds of a savage assault and enduring 50. Heck, since first writing this, I've begun to suspect that 1 minute is kind of the upper limit for "combat practical", as a single creature can already attack 4 times per round if not more by epic-level play. A sizable group of them... yeah, let's just say that you'd be making a lot of Concentration checks. You probably know more on this subject than I do. --Luigifan18 (talk) 03:31, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Well, if you're taking 20 rounds of attacks, and each round contains 4 attacks, they hit an average of 30% of the time, and you've acquired 30 Constitution and a d12 hit die, they have to average no more than 14 damage per attack in order to not kill you.

I suspect that the situation would be easier to contrive if it relied on 9th level or epic spells that were amazingly defensive but had 1 round/level durations. Although if it's done with 9th level spells, your allies might be able to just prepare three copies and last for 6 minutes. --Foxwarrior (talk) 03:41, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

I was thinking more of the Concentration checks you'd need to pull off in order to not lose the spell. Also, don't wizards and sorcerers have d4 hit die? --Luigifan18 (talk) 04:41, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes they do, and they often don't have 30 Constitution either. Concentration checks aren't very important if you get stabbed to death. --Foxwarrior (talk) 04:48, 28 November 2012 (UTC)