Talk:Warforged Juggernaut (5e Subrace)

Why 13? Many other sets for a warforged Juggernaut has 18 base starting which yes is overpowered for a LvL.1. But at 13 its barely considered a juggernaut because of the fact of it having just about the same ac as a tactician. I think that one extra point(bumping it to 14) is reasonable. because of the fact that it will be tankier than a tactician,which makes sense. But not super overpowered because no DM will want to have a LvL1 that cannot be touched but can reason with the fact that he can be a large tank,with a lot of disadvantages like, Electrical attacks,acid attacks and many more.

It's superior to ringmail at 1st level and ends up +1 over Plate by 17th. Heavy Plating is a consistent scaling bonus that's slightly better than Heavy Armor proficiency WITHOUT any required ability scores (where the other two have varying levels of dex commitment necessary). A warforged tactician who dumps Dex has a 16 AC when the juggernaut has a 19. In my opinion it's one of the best ways of balancing a natural armor feature for a race and a remarkably clever solution. Vaegrim (talk) 15:08, 10 December 2017 (MST)

Ah ok, I just needed to see other peoples points on this. However I'd say that it could possibly be a bit overpowered in both cases due to some players creating a warforged juggernaut as a cleric character which allows them to start with a shield.

So technically they could start with 17 ac due to proficiency and shield. Unless they go life domain and have proficiency in heavy armor. Which would add a proficiency bonus correct? That would mean they are starting with 19ac.Unless the starting bonus to the armor somewhat negs the effect of heavy armor profeciency I realize that this would make my last question sound a bit off and now makes no sense