Talk:Canin, Miniature (3.5e Race)

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The stats on this one makes sense at least. It shares the common mystery of shattering whenever someone barks and exploding whenever the smell of chocolate gets within 30 ft (chocolate is bad for dogs, but it's not black lotus!), but that's not a problem unique to this one per se. -- Eiji-kun (talk) 17:47, 21 February 2017 (MST)

Sorry man, but in one big swoop of effort you managed to make this unplayable. Having to read over 40 different racial options (for looking over a single race of what is itself already divided into four races) is inexcusable design. No. Bad dog. Also, don't ever grant odd numbers to racial ability adjustments (short version: they cause problems for things like Point Buy systems and min-maxing gets encouraged in a weird way). Forcing players to hunt and peck for stats when those stats are just buried in flavor anyways and the player will just go with the stats they want and not care is mean and insulting for people's use of free time. Why? All this has become so far is jumping through hoops so you can smell, bite and fart. That's not a good impression. --Ganteka Future (talk) 14:25, 25 February 2017 (MST)
Hoo boy, I came back to this, and Gan is right on this one. This is... this is way to much. While your mastery of Knowledge Dogs is impressive, it is also completely and utterly untenable.
There is a certain beauty is simplicity, especially in a game whose rules can be quite complex. And you definitely do not want to give your players decision paralysis. Offer options, but if you offer too many options it becomes a slog that A) No one wants to read and B) No one can keep track of the rules for. You have so many breeds, sub-breeds, variants, alternate dog features, and mutations that it doesn't work. You may as well made it a mix and match thing: "Select +2 to two of these things, -2 to two of these things, and a +3 bonus on a Whatever check" with all of these variants.
When you have (five? six? twenty eight? I haven't kept track) breeds of canin already with separate but similar pages, it was suspect. But that can easily be fixed by making them very different from each other. But of each of these breeds has 30 sub-breeds, no way.
Please, try to compress this. Let me put it this way. I'm just an average joe, I don't have an encyclopedic knowledge of dog breeds and their differences. As far as I'm concerned, dogs come in "Retrievers, poodles, Scottish mop dogs, meme doges, bulldogs, and those big dogs who give you hot cocoa in the mountains." I know it's simplified, but really, simple is good. You could easily bring it down to those six choices, and that's assuming that these dogs have any real mechanical differences between each other beyond appearance. I could probably throw poodles, Scottish terriers, and shiba inus (I do actually know their names after all) into the category of "Small yappy dog".
What you need to do is figure out the generalized descriptions of dogs. Go broad. If you have a number under than four-five, good. If it's bigger than that, keep going more general until you're down to those choices. -- Eiji-kun (talk) 20:10, 25 February 2017 (MST)
Also, it has been pointed out to me that dogs are not trusting strangers. They bark at everything and are very cautious around new smells and are highly alert to noises and such. You're experience with dogs may have varied I guess. --Ganteka Future (talk) 20:31, 25 February 2017 (MST)
There is also weirdness concerning Quadrupedal Tracking, but I don't want to overwhelm you. First thing first, handle the 30 billion dog breed problem. -- Eiji-kun (talk) 21:01, 25 February 2017 (MST)


Well at least this was pointed out to me before I did this with the Standard, Large, and Giant Canin. That should cut back on the amount of research I was going to have to do (certainly not complaining about that). I had already posted the breed options for the Toy Canin, so I'll need to work on them too. The dogs trust or lack of trust in strangers really varies from dog to dog and some breeds are more trusting than others (the Maltese, for example, thinks everyone is their friend). Admittedly, I'm a bit of a dog magnet. Dogs just tend to like me. Should I scrap the breeds completely or just cut down and modify them? --Halloweenman33 22:16, 25 February 2017 (CST)


I got rid of the alternate Attribute Bonuses and cut down on the breeds, although I may need to cull the list some more. I doubt that it's finished, but it's a start. --Halloweenman33 22:34, 25 February 2017 (CST)