Talk:Power Word Pain Variant (3.5e Spell)

Ratings

	Foxwarrior is neutral on this article and rated it 2 of 4.
	I like the general idea, but as a no-save, this is perhaps too strong when put on wands for your peasants to use.

A little too much?

This is a little too much for level 1 and 2 I feel. Nothing at that level has spell resistance, and since you'll be doing 26.25 damage over 7.5 rounds on average, barring the leaving you with 1 hp, this is pretty much an unavoidable oneshot at those levels. With this spell, a fresh level 1 wizard and a level 1 rogue could probably beat the majority of CR5 monsters that don't have fast healing by just using power word pain over and over, kiting it till it reaches 1 hp, and then cherry tapping it for one point of damage with like a bow or a caltrop to finish it off.

It a nerfed version of the original spell, which does not requiring tapping them on the shoulder. I have an idea, what if enough healing stopped the degenerative process? --Leziad (talk) 10:53, 16 February 2019 (MST)

I do agree that it's still a lot, but it is significantly weaker than the original spell. --Undead_Knave (talk) 11:29, 16 February 2019 (MST)

That's Power Word Pain for ya. Though I like the healing bit; added. -- Eiji-kun (talk) 15:48, 16 February 2019 (MST)

Unless you catch it on turn 1, that is an absurd amount of healing to require. --Undead_Knave (talk) 23:35, 16 February 2019 (MST)

Better? -- Eiji-kun (talk) 05:58, 17 February 2019 (MST)

I am not sure why power word pain dealt damage in the first place. Symbol of pain and inflict pain both have the same effect, -4 penalty on all checks. Why not have power word work the same way? Grog toad (talk) 06:31, 17 February 2019 (MST)

(RESET INDENT) You're probably right, but I kept the title. A Power Word Suffer which does what you describe is totes legit, with this being "Power Word Damage". I kept it for the sake of being obvious it's a replacement. -- Eiji-kun (talk) 14:11, 17 February 2019 (MST)