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"A sublime chord’s caster level for both her sublime chord spells and the spells she gains from other arcane spellcasting classes is determined by adding her sublime chord level to her level in another arcane spellcasting class."
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Secondly, some things are ill-explained. What's special about the Wish's very strange Warlock/IotSV/MotAO progression, when all his wishiness comes from treasure? Why in the world does the Word dip into Fighter, Swashbuckler, Contemplative, and Rakshasa? How exactly is the Word "technically possessed of every single alignment"? The writeup leaves out all these explanations.
 
 
The sublime chord only synergizes with one other arcane spellcasting class, and she uses her ''level in that class'', not her ''caster level''.
 
 
 
"To determine the caster level of an ur-priest, add the character’s ur-priest levels to one-half of his levels in other spellcasting classes."
 
 
 
The ur-priest does use every class, but again only uses ''levels in the classes'' and not ''caster levels''.
 
 
 
Some things are also ill-explained. What's special about the Wish's very strange Warlock/IotSV/MotAO progression, when all his wishiness comes from treasure? Why in the world does the Word dip into Fighter, Swashbuckler, Contemplative, and Rakshasa? How exactly is the Word "technically possessed of every single alignment"?
 
 
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RatedOppose.png DanielDraco opposes this article and rated it 0 of 4.
Firstly, as Teravel pointed out below, the two most crucial rules on which the Word is built were misread.

Secondly, some things are ill-explained. What's special about the Wish's very strange Warlock/IotSV/MotAO progression, when all his wishiness comes from treasure? Why in the world does the Word dip into Fighter, Swashbuckler, Contemplative, and Rakshasa? How exactly is the Word "technically possessed of every single alignment"? The writeup leaves out all these explanations.

RatedDislike.png Teravel dislikes this article and rated it 1 of 4.
The Word is calculated incorrectly. The Ur-Priest ability reads as follows;

"To determine the caster level of an ur-priest, add the character’s ur-priest levels to one-half of his levels in other spellcasting classes. (Any levels gained in the cleric class by an ex-cleric don’t count.)"

The Sublime Chords ability to increase Caster Level has no effect on Levels of Spellcasting Classes, and so does not effect the Ur-Priests ability.

Adding the Spellcasting Levels together, dividing them in half, and adding Ur-Priest gives us a caster level of 10. Not the 112 described in the article.


While 'The Wish' is feasible, abusing the unlimited wish idea is boring. To make things worse, the character is extremely weak without this one item. Being a character built on the Forgotten Realms system, a Dead or Wild Magic Zone would make this character useless.