Talk:The Wish and the Word (3.5e Optimized Character Build)

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RatedFavor.png Sunwitch favors this article and rated it 4 of 4!
Previously:"Argument: But the Ur Priest, unlike the Apostle of Peace, says "level in spellcasting class", not caster level. You can't add up the caster levels and have it spill over onto the Ur Priest.

Answer: Actually, yes we can. "Level of a spellcasting class" means "caster level". That's why the definition of "caster level" says that it is "equal to your level in a spellcasting class". If a calculation of caster level references the "level of a spellcasting class", that references items that modify caster level as well, because it's the same thing."

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RatedOppose.png DanielDraco opposes this article and rated it 0 of 4.
Firstly, as Teravel pointed out below, the two most crucial rules on which the Word is built were misread.

Secondly, some things are ill-explained. What's special about the Wish's very strange Warlock/IotSV/MotAO progression, when all his wishiness comes from treasure? Why in the world does the Word dip into Fighter, Swashbuckler, Contemplative, and Rakshasa? How exactly is the Word "technically possessed of every single alignment"? The writeup leaves out all these explanations.

RatedDislike.png Teravel dislikes this article and rated it 1 of 4.
The Word is calculated incorrectly. The Ur-Priest ability reads as follows;

"To determine the caster level of an ur-priest, add the character’s ur-priest levels to one-half of his levels in other spellcasting classes. (Any levels gained in the cleric class by an ex-cleric don’t count.)"

The Sublime Chords ability to increase Caster Level has no effect on Levels of Spellcasting Classes, and so does not effect the Ur-Priests ability.

Adding the Spellcasting Levels together, dividing them in half, and adding Ur-Priest gives us a caster level of 10. Not the 112 described in the article.


While 'The Wish' is feasible, abusing the unlimited wish idea is boring. To make things worse, the character is extremely weak without this one item. Being a character built on the Forgotten Realms system, a Dead or Wild Magic Zone would make this character useless.