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==Discussion==

I've been following this issue for some time.  I feel I should really inform you that there are still quite a few problems with this.  The first, and primary one, I feel I should address is your link in the relationships section.  This is in no way shape or form, subtle.  It is blatant and obvious, it just doesn't use the exact words.  For example, if you were to link to a pornographic video with a black bar over the genitalia.  It is still pornography.  People will understand it and treat it as such, despite it not technically being shown.  I did notice your conversation were you spoke about the qualities of the Mogeko that do not have to do with their main shtick.  That is what you need.  You need to ignore the sexual aspect completely.  For example, look at the Succubus entry in 3.5.  A succubus is a being that sleeps with men to steal their souls.  You will see nothing about sex in this entry.  The nearest it gets is kissing.  --[[User:Novaform|Novaform]] ([[User talk:Novaform|talk]]) 03:46, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

:'''(Watches it return to mainspace, and puts on his DM face.)'''  "''Are you suuuure?''"  You may want to keep working on it, the hungry Eijis lie at the gates ready to rip and tear anew. 

:Also stress bump to Nova's comment about looking at the succubus. -- [[User:Eiji-kun|Eiji-kun]] ([[User talk:Eiji-kun|talk]]) 13:52, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

::I'm pretty sure I took out the sexual references. Is there something I missed? --[[User:Luigifan18|Luigifan18]] ([[User talk:Luigifan18|talk]]) 14:06, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

:::Other than an early mention of them enjoying regular wanks, nothing I can see. [[User:LenKagetsu|LenKagetsu]] ([[User talk:LenKagetsu|talk]]) 14:14, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

:::: It doesn't sound as though these creatures could go on adventures in general for a whole ton of different reasons if just their flavor is any indication. Why is this a PC race instead of a monster? That would fit SO much better. --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] ([[User talk:Ghostwheel|talk]]) 15:41, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

:::::I'm operating under the assumption that a Mogeko PC has already broken away from the pseudo-hive mind, so a lot of the flavor may or may not apply to it in the first place. --[[User:Luigifan18|Luigifan18]] ([[User talk:Luigifan18|talk]]) 16:33, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

:::::: If this is the case, then you should redo the current flavor and take it more in that direction. "While most [race] are [xyz], those who become adventures are [abc]," and then expand on [abc] since the rest isn't particularly relevant to player characters. --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] ([[User talk:Ghostwheel|talk]]) 16:38, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

:::::::What Ghost said x1000.  It will require more than a footnote, it's actually an entire shift in direction of focus.

:::::::Of course... none of that will save you.  Fortunately for you I have a few things I want to do before I get back to this.  But... it... is.... coming.....

:::::::'''Dusk of the Last Day.  Only a few articles remain before the Elder Evil Eiji is reborn to bring dread judgement to you.''' -- [[User:Eiji-kun|Eiji-kun]] ([[User talk:Eiji-kun|talk]]) 23:59, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

::::::::Er, what else am I supposed to say, other than that adventuring Mogekos (often) consider the antics of the larger Mogeko population to be an embarrassment? --[[User:Luigifan18|Luigifan18]] ([[User talk:Luigifan18|talk]]) 00:14, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

:::::::::I see a bit of an issue with your premise.  You are making a race intended to only be played as an aberrant of their society.  I've seen the examples of Kobolds and Goblins used.  I quite enjoy playing Kobolds.  It is very interesting how they function in a player party, even as an ideal example of their race.  They are very Socialistic.  They do what they can for the group of which they are a part.  Goblins are selfish.  That makes their motivation easy.  Gold.  This can lead them into a party without trouble even without being an aberrant of their kind.  Mogeko, on the other hand, at least as depicted here, have a bit of an issue with that regard.  They have little motivation for joining an adventuring party without being an aberrant, at least in most cases.

:::::::::You also seem to have not headed my first message.  You did remove one link, but one of your other links are to, what appears to be, the playlist of which that other link was part.  Other than that, you have not removed anything relating to the sexual premises of this race.  Once more, I shall emphasize that a race who's entire premise is turning mortals to their unrestricted sexual desires, was made without any mention of sex, whatsoever.  I am sure that this race can be made with such guidelines.

:::::::::I also question the reason why you gave it a racial trait that gives it an immunity to a single item.  Especially when the item in question is unlikely to ever be seen in a campaign.  There is also the issue that this trait, called "Pervy" has little to do with most of the effects of this item.  How does being Pervy prevent the alteration of their... Intimates?  How does it disallow them the belief of the opposite gender being weaker?  How does it stop them from "Liking the End?"  How about saving against the sheer monotony of stupid rules in FATAL, it might save them from the untoward aspects, but what about the sheer absurd rolling?  What does being Pervy have to do with resisting Microcosm?  There are many parts of this item that the race should have little ability to resist, and even if they did have reason, I don't see the need to give them an immunity to a single item. --[[User:Novaform|Novaform]] ([[User talk:Novaform|talk]]) 03:57, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

:::::::::: I made [[Pygga (3.5e Race)|this]] a while ago, some parallels can be drawn with the mogeko in that they are both perverted little creatures, yet no one raised a stink about mine. It all about you handle the subject, do pyggas masturbate? Probably, I don't like thinking about it too much. Now most of the offending has been removed, so that good. But there is a bit of matter only some have touched about: The crunch. Why do they have a racial trait that make them immune to a ''joke'' minor artifact? Why is their religion a racial trait? Why +4 Wisdom, from how they are described they should have a penalty. Why do they have super scent? Why do every single one of them are capable of kidnapping? Are you sure that a racial trait and not an artifact or trait of their homeplane? I only briefly slogged through the TV trope, so my grasp on the source content is poor. --[[User:Leziad|Leziad]] ([[User talk:Leziad|talk]]) 06:02, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

:::::::::::'''(The sign of the Elder Evil Eiji has become overwhelming.  You feel your article crawling on your back.  Death is coming very soon.) -- [[User:Eiji-kun|Eiji-kun]] ([[User talk:Eiji-kun|talk]]) 06:48, 1 November 2015 (UTC)