Talk:Eldritch Craft (3.5e Invocation)

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Blocked Rating	Foxwarrior opposes this article and rated it 0 of 4.
	This rating refers to a substantially different version of the article, or concerns mentioned in it have already been addressed.Fabricate is a pretty decent wizard spell for wizard-level wizards, and one that you can use during downtime where at-will would actually make a different. Getting it earlier and at-will would be a bit much for a Very High Balance invocation...

ErikOfWiki dislikes this article and rated it 1 of 4.

This is bad design, but quantifiably bad. To correct it one would need to amend how early it comes online, what level of invocation it is and possibly cap its use to per day. Example of an acceptable version would be if it remained Least Invocation and reduced the casting time of Fabricate to 1/10th, but does not grant casting of Fabricate itself. Another acceptable version might be if it was raised to Greater Invocation or maybe Dark (and if Dark then improved slightly either to be expedited or larger volume). As Fox indicated, not all spells are equal with at will casting. Look at other 5th level spells. At will raise dead or teleport or magic jar as an invocation is a game changer. Even at will cure minor suddenly becomes infinite healing between combats.

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While I'm willing to change the effects regarding fabricate I need to understand why it should be changed. To my understanding the spell doesn't allow to cheat on expenses, which because the caster must still spend gold of equal value as the raw material it wants to create, and must still make a Craft check to succeed. This means that the spell seem to only solve the problem of tools and redice a bit the time needed. But the utility seems to be still very situational. I'd like your opinion on that. --The bluez in the dungeon (talk) 23:25, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

"reduce a bit" is a bit of an understatement. Raw materials for mundane craft are a third of the finished price (and by RAW (somewhere, I think...?) you can sell pretty much anything for half its finished price), and the amount of time it takes to craft stuff normally is a pretty respectable chunk of time, filling a 10' cube with clothes could take months or years of regular craft checks. From a setting-building perspective, a 7th level warlock with this invocation could out-produce a large city of normal expert artisans. Which is arguably a fine thing to do... but generally a bit higher level and not at Moderate balance. --Foxwarrior (talk) 23:52, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Or Fabricate a 5' section of dungeon wall into an archway and statues commemorating the time the adventuring party no longer needed to use doors or be impeded by barriers ever again. If you believe Fabricate is a 5th level spell using an honest to gosh spell slot and spell known, then it should not be granted at will by a Least Invocation, even with a slight level gap to 'only' get it 2 levels earlier than a Very High full caster. --ErikOfWiki (talk) 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Changed it to once a week. Just for the record, I don't think that fabricate may be used to produce a 10' cube of clothes from a 10' cube of anything else because the spell clearly uses value to determine what it can do, not mass or weight. But that's not important here and now. Thanks for the feedback anyway, let me know if this version is more in line with the Moderate rating. --The bluez in the dungeon (talk) 00:41, 12 June 2024 (UTC)