Talk:Harm, Greater (3.5e Spell)

Balancing

This is probably about a 6th level spell in practice. You might also want to make the wording a little clearer. - MisterSinister 07:19, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

The spell it's based on, harm, is a 6th-level spell. A stronger version of a spell should not be at the same spell level. I'd say this is an 8th-level spell at minimum, but 9th seems to be pretty good. I also took care of the wording issue by creating a spell to act as its positive energy counterpart and making a link to that, much as harm acts like heal and heal acts like harm on the undead. --Luigifan18 (talk) 00:54, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

I was honestly surprised when I saw I actually wrote this article. Oh it was made back in 2008... well that is one of my old article. I see if I can improved it. --Leziad (talk) 00:56, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Luigifan, harm is not a true-6. Seriously, just because spells are printed at a certain level doesn't mean they are good at that level by any stretch of anyone's imagination. I mean seriously, fireball? Gimme a break. - MisterSinister (talk) 05:46, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Don't diss fireball, MisterSinister, it's good at everything it does except damage. And you might be right that harm is not among the good spells at its level, but writing a better spell and nonchalantly putting it at the same level as the original is a bit silly. Unless this spell gets listed as Very High, maybe. --Foxwarrior (talk) 05:54, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Only reason fireball can't do much damage is because of the cap! Way too low if you ask me. --Luigifan18 (talk) 08:22, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

The cap doesn't matter until level 11. A single fireball isn't overly harmful before then, either. --Foxwarrior (talk) 08:32, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

While we're on the subject of low-powered spells - meteor swarm. That's supposed to be the epitome of fire magic?!? For a 9th-level spell, the damage is totally underwhelming. 24d6 in four 6d6 fireballs? Lots of other spells can do better... --Luigifan18 (talk) 08:59, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Congrats folks, we've established 'bad spells are overlevelled'. I've been advocating this for quite a while now. - MisterSinister (talk) 09:04, 15 October 2012 (UTC)