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This seems, from a realism standpoint, completely ridiculous. So some fighter is holding a shield in two hands, protects himself with it, and uses spikes coming out of either end as a double weapon. What. Try it. Grab a pillow and mime protecting yourself with it while buffeting foe with the sides of it. Even some grandmaster warrior would look like an idiot doing this. Furthermore, this thing is mechanically inconsistent with existing rules. First of all, there's no class of "heavy" shield. The PHB describes a buckler, small shield, large shield, and tower shield. After that, it's very clear about enchanting shield spikes and when you get the shield bonus while attacking - there are feats that allow you to bash and retain the shield bonus, because normally, YOU LOSE THE SHIELD BONUS WHEN YOU ATTACK WITH IT. This should be thrown out.
 
This seems, from a realism standpoint, completely ridiculous. So some fighter is holding a shield in two hands, protects himself with it, and uses spikes coming out of either end as a double weapon. What. Try it. Grab a pillow and mime protecting yourself with it while buffeting foe with the sides of it. Even some grandmaster warrior would look like an idiot doing this. Furthermore, this thing is mechanically inconsistent with existing rules. First of all, there's no class of "heavy" shield. The PHB describes a buckler, small shield, large shield, and tower shield. After that, it's very clear about enchanting shield spikes and when you get the shield bonus while attacking - there are feats that allow you to bash and retain the shield bonus, because normally, YOU LOSE THE SHIELD BONUS WHEN YOU ATTACK WITH IT. This should be thrown out.
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:I believe the way it's wielded is as a Klingon Bat'leth.  Oh, it's a silly fantasy weapon, but no worse off than using a spiked chain as a viable weapon.  Actually, I'm kind of interested... this is a Double Weapon+Shield instead of a Weapon+Shield, which is kinda cool.  However, there are such a thing as heavy shields.  Behold: [[SRD:Heavy Shield|The Heavy Shield]].  Shields come in buckler, light, heavy, and tower forms after all.  And extreme/exotic if you count Races of Stone.  Perhaps you got your terms mixed up, replacing light for small and large for heavy?
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:As far as rules about shield attacks and keeping shield AC, specific always trumps general.  It appears you keep your shield AC on this particular weapon, save for when power attacking.  Makes sense.  -- [[User:Eiji-kun|Eiji-kun]] 11:12, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Revision as of 11:12, 6 August 2012

This seems, from a realism standpoint, completely ridiculous. So some fighter is holding a shield in two hands, protects himself with it, and uses spikes coming out of either end as a double weapon. What. Try it. Grab a pillow and mime protecting yourself with it while buffeting foe with the sides of it. Even some grandmaster warrior would look like an idiot doing this. Furthermore, this thing is mechanically inconsistent with existing rules. First of all, there's no class of "heavy" shield. The PHB describes a buckler, small shield, large shield, and tower shield. After that, it's very clear about enchanting shield spikes and when you get the shield bonus while attacking - there are feats that allow you to bash and retain the shield bonus, because normally, YOU LOSE THE SHIELD BONUS WHEN YOU ATTACK WITH IT. This should be thrown out.

I believe the way it's wielded is as a Klingon Bat'leth. Oh, it's a silly fantasy weapon, but no worse off than using a spiked chain as a viable weapon. Actually, I'm kind of interested... this is a Double Weapon+Shield instead of a Weapon+Shield, which is kinda cool. However, there are such a thing as heavy shields. Behold: The Heavy Shield. Shields come in buckler, light, heavy, and tower forms after all. And extreme/exotic if you count Races of Stone. Perhaps you got your terms mixed up, replacing light for small and large for heavy?
As far as rules about shield attacks and keeping shield AC, specific always trumps general. It appears you keep your shield AC on this particular weapon, save for when power attacking. Makes sense. -- Eiji-kun 11:12, 6 August 2012 (UTC)