Talk:Deceivers (3.5e Race)

Criticism

This race is, quite frankly, terrible; it's not worth any LA at all.72.148.112.184 22:48, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

I was going to say something similar. My only question would be, if the LA was changed to +0, would this race be worth keeping? It's a solid, semi-interesting idea IMO, but it doesn't ooze quality. Thoughts? -- Jota 23:26, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

At LA+0, It's a dwarf that can die in an AMF, is healed for a pathetic amount by a SLA it has (so it's basically saving 750 gp on a CLW in exchange for not being able to be hit by Heal or something useful) and with a +10 bonus on disguise checks. It also has to pay a moderate cost in gold and a large cost in time to revive itself. Not overpowered in the least, but not really very interesting.72.148.112.184 02:44, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

Well deleting it isn't improvement. I'll reduce it to LA +1 but I thought the inability to actually DIE for a thousand years was a pretty powerful ability at the time (I mean a PC with this ability can 'die' as may times as he wished without consequence). They were my 'robot curious about humanity' project which i simply started and kept on writing about. With these changes i am removing the delete template--EhSteve 04:35, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

It costs so much time to revive itself that it's going to be levels behind anyway, regardless of if it can "die" forever or not. It's not useful enough to warrant a LA, because of just how long it could take to get back to your normal HP. Plus, it doesn't even *work* to not die if you get hit with anything that doesn't kill you by HP loss.

Anyway, to give you an idea, at level 10 if you were to get dropped to, say, -100 HP, it would cost you a whopping 1000 hours to repair yourself. Whee! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Milskidasith (talk • contribs) at

1000 hours = 42 day unless someone revives you beforehand, in which case you can get revived for -1 level or if someone has a decent cleric level no levels AT ALL - hallelujah! - but 10,000gp is still pretty steep. Someone can carry around your corpse until such a time as you reconstruct (sure so.e campaigns work in merely weeks as such but if you able to sneak in a transition to black + resting music for that time you'll be right as rain). I wanted to make something original and it seems no other race simply reconstructs itself as some badass robots/golems should.--EhSteve 13:47, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

Unclear Type

This race is listed as a Constuct (Living Construct) and linked to the SRD construct type... which isn't particularly related to the Living Construct type from Eberron. So which one is it? The Eberron one might be ok as a PC race with low or no LA, but the SRD construct type is flat out unsuitable for a PC race without such a substantial LA as to make it unplayable. I mean seriously, immunity to all [mind-affecting] spells, anything that allows a fort save, almost any special attack variety or crit a PC would make (without magical assistance)... that's not cool for a PC to be walking around with at low levels.

Living Construct is a subtype of Construct, that is correct. Warforged are also Construct (Living Construct). The Living Construct subtype changes many of the construct base traits. -- Eiji Hyrule 05:09, September 13, 2009 (UTC)