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:::::I dunno. Even ignoring other factors, taking away two levels of spells for godly saving throws and 12 (I missed that the first time around) extra feats don't sit well. And this is just one aspect of versatile advancement. There's also that 8th level monk. If a monk did go JoAT after 8th, it continues to be a monk, just with bonus feats and nice(r) saves with spells tacked on. I'm sure a monk could deal with newfound mage armor and enlarge person.--[[User:Quey|Quey]] 07:11, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
::::::Probably worse is when a Wizard X/FortandRefBoosting PrC Y/JoAT 15-X-Y takes this class, because they get heaping handfuls of extra feats for no real cost. If they're Wizard-level feats, that's sure to be more powerful than almost any other option; that's maybe more of a problem with letting characters have more than one or two Wizard-level feats total though (proper ones that you could reasonably write before your class names to indicate their importance in the build, like Natural Spell, DMM, and Mother Cyst, that is). --[[User:Foxwarrior|Foxwarrior]] 16:30, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
