Talk:True Dragon (3.5e Class)

Armor Class

Need to work out something about how I'm going to deal with the AC issues that not being able to wear armor causes if you don't compensate it. It needs natural armor, but I'm not sure whether to put it on the class or on the race. If I put it on the race, then you might just make a landwyrm with the other classes (or humanoid-compatible classes) and cover it in full plate anyway. If I put it on the class, it might crowd things, and it needs to not stack with what the Drake gets when I write that. I'll decide more when I have a clearer head and it's not almost three in the morning, probably, but if anyone wants to make suggestions before it's settled, I'll at least read them. --IGTN 10:45, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Why not disable armor for the entire race and then compensate with natural armor at that racial level? If you want the Drake to wear armor on top of that, write it up as class features. Alternately, don't use natural armor, just go with a scaling plain old regular armor bonus. - Tarkisflux 18:20, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

My current plan is making the flying feat completely incompatible with armor (either your armor doesn't cover your wings and has big gaping holes for your wing joints that make it useless, or it binds them and you can't fly), which allows landwyrms to wear armor. The mention of the Drake is that the Drake, being the Brute class, also needs natural armor analogous to the Fiendish Brute. That would leave single-classed Draconic Sages soft of scale if I make it a non-stacking class feature of the TD and Drake.

I could put in a built-in racial armor bonus, instead of natural armor. Unless I hear a good reason otherwise, I think I'll do that. This makes all dragons, Drakes, TDs, and Sages, have full effective armor, and it deals quite nicely with the people who want to try to stack it with real armor. 4 + Con sound good? I'm also going to add something to either the racial template or the True Dragon later where it can use items in its hoard as if they were on its body, but I haven't figured out how to work it. --IGTN 05:31, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

4 + con mod is probably fine, as long as there's some way to enchant it or the con mod scaling matches up with expected enchantment (note: i have not thought that through). In wish games it's going to lead to a weird jump, but that's probably also fine.

As for the hoard: Never leave hoard without it (Ex): You can treat up to your Cha modifier in items left in your hoard as if they were on your person. They take up item slots as usual. You have to return to your hoard to attune different items in your hoard to yourself. - Tarkisflux 07:53, 23 December 2010 (UTC)\

I was bouncing around an idea where the limit on the items the dragon can use out of its hoard depends on the amount of gold in it, probably some function of the listed price of the item, with a huge spike at the wish economy. That way, dragons have a reason why their hoard has a few magic items buried in a huge pile of precious metals. Magic armor in the hoard would let them transfer the armor's magic to their scales. --IGTN 08:02, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Frightful Presence

I know you're moving towards HD=CR, but unless you're planning on not using the HD bloated pre-gen monsters you might want to go with CR < your level instead of HD < yours for this ability. Unless the intent is to have the slowly drop out of relevance. - Tarkisflux 18:27, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

That might be a good idea. Mostly, I just copied the mechanics from the SRD, but I suppose I should fix them, too. --IGTN 05:31, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Fixing broked mechanics be good. May I recommend Revised Fear Effects (3.5e Variant Rule)? - Tarkisflux 07:47, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Sure, yeah, I'll just use that one. Much better idea. --IGTN 07:48, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Size Increase

Size Increase: At 5th, 10th, 14th, and 18th levels, a True Dragon increases in size. This behaves as gaining the appropriate Large Size, Huge Size, Gargantuan Size, Colossal Size, or Titanic Size [Dragon] feat as a bonus feat. If it already has all of these, it instead

I tried to find those feats but couldn't. I assume it must be from previous version as the text in the above seems to end abruptly. Is it supposed to work like monster size increase from SRD? Also it would be nice in a form of a feat or class feature to have the ability to lower your size so you can still fit in dungeons as you level up. Perhaps with an alter self form ( one humanoid of your choice) when you want to blend in?