Talk:Schrödinger's Cat (3.5e Monster)

Familiar

Needs familiar information. What level is it available at? -- Eiji-kun 20:47, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Most monsters cannot be familiars: By default a creature can only be a familiar if some rule says it can.--Ideasmith 01:26, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

I know, but its tag has it listed as one, which is why I brought it up. -- Eiji-kun 14:57, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

It says in the description that it is a cat familiar poisoned with cyanide, so in theory it is available when you can get Fluffy some cyanide.--Change=Chaos. Period. SC 19:17, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

If you kill your familiar you have... a dead familiar, with rules in place what happens. So it cannot be just killing your familiar. What is the process? We don't know, it needs to be written down. Anyway, Schrodinger's is superior to your standard issue Cat familiar, and I don't see free upgrades being the point. It still needs familiar information. -- Eiji-kun 23:07, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, that is the case in a world without this monster, but in a world that includes this monster, killing cat familiars with cyanide creates these things. That is the established process. The only question would be how heartless would you have to be to kill a magical beast, more so an extension of your soul, just to have a suped-up cat?--Change=Chaos. Period. SC 01:13, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

I don't think you understand, here, let's make another example, more extreme so you can realize the problem here.

"Oh yeah, about this monster, where you kill your rat familiar and it turns into a Rat-Balor. Yeah, that is the case in a world without this monster, but in a world that includes this Rat-Balor, killing rats familiars with cyanide creates these things. That is the established process. The only question would be how heartless would you have to be to kill a magical beast, more so an extension of your soul, just to have a suped-up rat?"

Did you catch it? Your argument is "superior monsters for free isn't unbalanced because if the world allows superior monsters for free then they aren't unbalanced." And that's stupid. This needs familiar information on how to get it and what changes to the rules, if any, apply. -- Eiji-kun 01:19, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

The cat's bite is specified as being cyanide, and the effects thereof do not include turning the target, feline or otherwise, into a Schrödinger's cat. Debihuman may or may not have intended a free upgrade. Either way, she has some clarifying to do.

Dead and Alive

It should be both dead and alive. Something like:

Dead and Alive (Su): Schrödinger's cat is both dead and alive. With respect to any effect it counts as an Animal, Undead creature, or both, whichever is most beneficial. --Aarnott 19:48, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

It isn't, though. During the day it is a cat familiar completely indistinguishable from other cat familiars, thus it is a magical beast (familiars are never animals). At night it's undead. What you suggest means it would be both at the same time, which gets into Deathless bullshit.--Change=Chaos. Period. SC 22:55, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

I actually perfer Aarnott's version, it's closer to the spirit of Schrodinger, that you can't be sure if its alive or dead at any one moment. At the moment, it's easy... it's dead at night, alive in the day. -- Eiji-kun 23:08, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Yar har! I take your idea and birth my own! -- Eiji-kun 05:49, 9 February 2012 (UTC)