Talk:Mewling (3.5e Race)

Rating

	Franken Kesey dislikes this article and rated it 1 of 4.
	+4 to Dex, +8 and +10 to some skill checks for an ECL 1. The skill bonuses in particular are super high. Suggest having them at +4 MAX. Also the vital stats do not align with a small-sized creature. They appear more like tiny-sized. However, tiny can be abused, suggest small with slight build if you want to keep that size.

Frank do you read? The skills in question are jump(a movement skill like climb or swim and thus a plus 8 racial bonus is not out of line since they don’t get any other benefits to jump, jumping 5 feet up is a dc 20 check 40 for a standing jump and thus a +8 is about 8 or 4 feet horizontally or 4 or 2 feet vertically which is not much) and the +10 is to disguise (as much as the level 1 spell disguise self) to disguising a race that is a sentient housecat as a normal housecat. What is so terrifyingly overpowered about that? Grog toad (talk) 08:47, 26 May 2019 (MDT)

Grog, are you an idiot? No other SRD race give anything close to those skill bonuses. Any skill bonus above +4 is non-standard. But this race gives: 1) +8 to jump and balance, 2) +10 to disguise, AND 3) a +4 bonus to an ability score. Yet is a LA0.--Franken Kesey 09:43, 26 May 2019 (MDT)

Perhaps you may have forgotten, but the founding principle of dnd-wiki is that wizards of the coast would fail to balance its way out of a paper bag. At least in regards to 3.5. --Foxwarrior (talk) 09:47, 26 May 2019 (MDT)

Editing Conflict: Also, a 2 ft.–4 ft cat is massive when compared to the average house cat that is 18 inches (or 1.5 ft). If he wants to keep the size, this should be small with slight build (not regular small). But if it is small with slight build, this should have LA.--Franken Kesey 09:51, 26 May 2019 (MDT)

Every homebrew author is different. If we balanced things to Frank and K, most articles would be under-powered. And there are many articles on this wiki that are broken. To state that everything here is perfect is inaccurate. Published material is generally more tested and played than homebrew. By the function of published material needing to sell. Published generally has a larger marketing and wider audience. Thus it is a better metric.

Another major problem with comparing homebrew to homebrew is that anyone can create homebrew which breaks a rule or is broken. Homebrewers are by nature rule breakers -- if they wanted to conform to rules they would not be making homebrew.

Thus I maintain that this article is broken for three reasons, which are not appropriate for a LA 0: 1) +4 to an ability score, 2) +8 and +10 to racial skill bonuses, 3) flavor and vitals are tiny (or small with slight), yet it is small.--Franken Kesey 10:04, 26 May 2019 (MDT)

Balance

I'd remove the +2 to AC (that's what the high dex is for) as well as remove one of low light vision/darkvision/scent for the sake of balance (darkvision or scent preferably). --Ghostwheel 03:08, September 24, 2009 (UTC)

I agree. I'll remove the +2 AC and darkvision now. I trust that EhSteve will revert it if he disagrees strongly enough? --Foxwarrior 19:16, February 24, 2010 (UTC)