Talk:Messer (3.5e Equipment)

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Beltarfirt favors this article and rated it 4 of 4!

Well done! 3.5 e players deserve this weapon, the so called Messer or Langes Messer. I'm thinking... ince sharing many mechanical traits with the longsword, isn't better to consider the Messer as longsword,if wielded by charachters proficient with the longsword, for any of the following feats: Greater Weapon Focus, Greater Weapon Specialization, Improved Critical, Weapon Focus, & Weapon Specialization?

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Aramir opposes this article and rated it 0 of 4.

This rating refers to a substantially different version of the article, or concerns mentioned in it have already been addressed.Hi everybody! It's a good article, but there are two odd points. First of all,the damaging capacity of a weapon should be considered as an objective trait: there's no need to distinghuish 2d4 damage when a messer is wielded with Martial proficiency and 1d8 when wielded without. A 2d4 damage should be regarded as the proper unique value for a cutting-oriented weapon like the messer(a.k.a. langes Messer or Groß Messer). Secondly,there is no reason why the Messer can't be used in two hand by someone without Martial Proficiency (like a paesant or a lumberjack). It is more logical that an use with both hands would be easier for people who have never received a martial preparation. That's what I propose: people without martial proficiency can use a Messer without penalties ONLY wielding it with two hands In that case,a messer could be considered a simple weapon.For the same reason the Bastard Sword can be used as a two-handed melee weapon if wielded with both hands by someone without exotic weapons proficiency (as explained in 3.5 rules under "Bastard Sword). I hope my contribution would be appreciated! Thanks a lot! :)

Oddity

Huh.

Including to what the rater above said, 1d8 is functionally equal to 2d4. The change in averages is a horizontal step at best. In short: you lose nothing of importance by wielding this with Simple Proficiency only. -- Eiji-kun (talk) 20:24, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

The sidegrade was intentional, but after some reflection, it does make sense that it should do patently less damage. However, I am keeping the inability to two-hand it because wielding it in two hands gives 1.5x damage. Think of it that you cannot *effectively* wield it in two hands. --Locke (talk) 19:23, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

I've decided to actually take Aramir's suggestion. It is now a 1d8 Simple two-handed weapon that can be wielded as a one-handed weapon with Martial proficiency, so that it mirrors the longsword for those with that proficiency. This will make it a poor man's falchion, doing less damage and less crit but still a viable weapon for it's bracket. --Locke (talk) 20:36, 12 February 2020 (UTC)