Talk:Bloodline Warlock (3.5e Class)

Ratings

	Carden Gix'oth favors this article and rated it 4 of 4!
	Normally, using the pre-Errata Warlock, Warlocks aren't that underpowered, but this... Holy Hells, this is amazing. The level of the Invocations, not to mention bumping Eldritch Blast from a d6 to a d10... And don't get me started on the Bloodlines. This is OP as fuck, and I love it!

	Surgo favors this article and rated it 4 of 4!
	This is a great and usable alternative for the crappy Complete Arcane warlock. If I have one criticism, it's that I wish the bloodlines had more options in each one to choose from!

	Enigma favors this article and rated it 4 of 4!
	Love the amount of options for sources of the warlock's powers.

No Celestial Bloodlines? Or Anarchic and Axiomatic, while we're at it? --71.94.112.128 01:00, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Nothing yet, cause warlock fluff (anarchic would probably be Fey though). Not to say I couldn't add it later, wanted to make sure I covered the warlock needs first. -- Eiji-kun (talk) 04:01, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Still waiting on an angelic bloodline, love the class btw 76.196.193.77 20:21, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

The wait is over! -- Eiji-kun (talk) 01:47, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Nerf

Made a nerf to the retribution ability in celestial. I was misremembering the properties of the item I based it on, so its a bit more in line with said item (Amulet of Retribution). -- Eiji-kun (talk) 02:22, 23 December 2016 (MST)

After much playtesting, I think it time to nerf the eldricth blast damage to 1d6 per two level. As it is, it just a better Pyromaniac. --Leziad (talk) 12:26, 25 March 2018 (MDT)

Nerf 2: Nerftendo

So I have been rolling around reducing the eldritch blast damage progression as it played poorly with multiple-attack builds. I think this may work better, and we'll see in playtesting soon enough, while I kept the old style in "adaptation" in case people still want to try the old version.

In theory at 20th level you have 55 average damage assuming no buffs. For full attackers its 165 damage, which seems about right for that level. You're much more likely to hit with all your attacks with the eldritch glaivelock build than a comparable fighter. If you're focused on raw damage you want a glaivelock anyway, while single-shotters tend to either spread the damage around via area effects or drop essences on targets. Let's see how this plays out. -- Eiji-kun (talk) 00:34, 3 April 2018 (MDT)

Design Ideas

If you have a demonic bloodline, why should your blast be the same as a shadow bloodline? The former should clearly be fire and the latter cold, rather than both typeless. This would open up some space to make certain bloodlines stronger too, since so much stuff resists fire. Surgo (talk) 15:35, 25 March 2018 (MDT)

Prestigious Advancement

Warlocks can through some means (like Prestigious Progression) take PrCs that aren't strictly for warlocks and might have text like "add these spells to your spell list". I'm wondering if perhaps a clause in this class would be helpful to clarify this. Should that just do nothing, or shall they become new invocations learned gated at certain levels (0-2 least, 3-5 lesser, 6-7 greater, 8-9 dark for example)? Surgo (talk) 16:05, 28 March 2018 (MDT)

The general rule for that sort of thing is gaining them as 1/day Spell-Like Abilities, according to Complete Arcane, iirc. --68.115.21.14 16:13, 28 March 2018 (MDT)

Naming Issues

While you're frustrated enough about frequent mentions, could this actually get called Bloodline Warlock as something that's more flavorful and less meta? It sounds cooler, too. --Undead_Knave (talk) 22:24, 18 June 2019 (MDT)

This is what V2 was for. -- Eiji-kun (talk) 22:28, 18 June 2019 (MDT)