User talk:Luigifan18/Mindbreaker (3.5e Class)

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Alright so you asked for a review, for one this looks pretty promising. There are a few issues though, let's start with the following in spending your pain points:

• No such thing as a vile bonus, might be a mistake I made in my own class though. The word is profane. It's a very minor issue.
• Recovering Power Points is a bad idea, being a daily mechanic. Maybe cap the maximum amount of pp you can regain per day? (I appear to have done so in my own tormentor, I should also put a limit on that.)
• Increasing your manifester level should be limited as well, right now it makes the wilder green with jealousy.

More later but right now I need to get dinner. --Leziad (talk) 22:55, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Alright, the only issues I can see are the two powers I outlined above. Since it's impossible to limit power points in the same way I did with spell slots, there is a lesser-known rule that could be useful for you: Temporary Power Points. TPP don't stack together, they overlap. I do not remember where they are from, however. --Leziad (talk) 23:13, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Using pain points to recharge power points is a core feature of the class; the tradeoff is that the mindbreaker's power point pool is much smaller than that of other full manifesting classes, like the psion and wilder. I reduced the size of the power point pool just in case that wasn't clear enough. I also reduced the duration of the manifester level boost. --Luigifan18 (talk) 14:20, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Duration is not the problem, wilder has it as the next power they manifest. With psionic you can augment powers way beyond their normal range, like turn dominate person into dominate monster. I'd recommend limiting the manifester level boost to up to 1/3rd of your class level. --Leziad (talk) 14:40, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

All right, I'll do that. --Luigifan18 (talk) 15:36, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Also, I intentionally made the power point recharge option a full-round action (the tormentor refreshes spell slots as a standard action) and made it render the mindbreaker flat-footed, provoke attacks of opportunity, and require Concentration checks if distracted in order to make it difficult to get away with in combat — especially if trying to recover a lot of power points. (The mindbreaker does get uncanny dodge, but not until level 7, and even then, he needs to be psionically focused to benefit from said uncanny dodge, making the option to expend psionic focus to get more power points a bit of a trap function.) --Luigifan18 (talk) 16:02, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

I am still a bit reserved about recovering power points but that is fair enough, im more worried about recovering it between combat. But it not a major concern right now. --Leziad (talk) 17:02, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Economy.Exe has Stopped Working

Flavor problems aside with gaining dark insight and madness through torture (and there are plenty) the class kind of borked the whole dark insight/madness economy. Dark Insight isn't easy to get, it require time and adventuring and the expenditure of resources. Beside that madness and mindbreak are the downside of dark insight, they make having a high score a dangerous thing beside all it boons.

Now you gave an incredibly quick infinite dark insight engine with complete and utter immunity to mindbreak to the same class, borking the whole system. Even if he couln't inflcit it on himself, he can literally create Dark Insight 1000+ minions who he doesn't care if they mindbreak.

Now immunity to mindbreak, I wrote a lot of material about the thing and don't think im being a purist about it, but the dark insight problem above shine on why I made no way of being inherently immune to mindbreak to PC. Flavorwise mindbreak is a pretty huge thing, it knowledge that is so eldritch and inhuman it is physically hurtful. It seeing an Eldritch God through a small portal, it peering into another plane through a portal, it having your vision reality shattered by 'fingers' of a abomination from elseworlds... and the mindbreaker is immune to it utterly and completely at level 3. --Leziad (talk) 20:56, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

I had a post here, but then I was ninja'd. May as well put the flavor thing here, it's weird. It's a torture class, right? Why can it give dark insight, an issue of knowledge, not pain?

"Oh no don't waterboard me, aghargahghahhghghh!!!:

"Now talk fool!"

"Never! Also why do I suddenly know the Seven Secrets of Yog Sothoth, Gate of the Infinite Worlds? Here, waterboard me again and maybe I can figure out this Cthulthu thing next. By the way, what the hell is a Cthulthu?"

So... yeah. -- Eiji-kun (talk) 21:06, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

The idea behind the mindbreaker's ability to grant dark insight is that an experienced mindbreaker becomes so damn skilled at breaking people's minds that he might as well be an eldritch being, even though he actually isn't. An experienced mindbreaker is just as dangerous to the sanity of those around him as freakin' Cthulhu himself. And waterboarding isn't a mindbreaker's style; he vastly prefers gaslighting and other forms of mental torture, the key word being mental. He considers physical torture to be beneath him, a waste of his talents and a degradation of his art. He breaks people's minds for fun; it's his idea of a good time.

The mindbreaker isn't so much immune to mindbreak as much as it is, well, a mindbroken mindbreaker is the exact same thing as a not mindbroken mindbreaker. Inflicting madness on him is a moot point; he revels in it. It pleases him. So, mechanically, he's immune to it. --Luigifan18 (talk) 02:31, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Oh, and one thing I forgot; Mental Assault is exactly what it sounds like. The mindbreaker uses his psychic power to directly attack the mind of his victim. --Luigifan18 (talk) 02:37, 26 October 2015 (UTC)