Talk:Puny Man’s Defiance (3.5e Maneuver)

Oh my how I can abuse this

Ignoring the conflicting text of "all allies" and "pick one ally"...

If I have a 20 Int to start, they have a 20 Int to start, and we both have max ranks in Speak Language (4), and we both have a racial language to boot that's 18 languages total at first level for a +9.

Ok, yes, this is the extreme example, but that uncapped nature is gonna bite you in the butt. inb4 Ghostwheel exploding from RNGloss. Duck and cover! -- Eiji-kun (talk) 09:01, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Ooh, untyped too. --Foxwarrior (talk) 17:52, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Hello! As I don't frequent the wiki much (at least, not logged in), I had to be kindly alerted by Tarkisflux to this. Pungeon Pendragon was my first martial discipline, in fact one of my first few big brews, and it shows. This one was one of the more unique maneuvers in mechanics and I clearly didn't think through what big consequences it could have. As a boost it could work, maybe. The "all allies" range was meant to say that you could pick any one ally from all allies within 50 ft range, but I've been pretty bad with wording at times, especially in my early years. Perhaps rather than gaining the languages known from the target, the stance should give a telepathic link with them? It'd lower the power and increase the versatility, ensuring use of it into the higher levels. -- Morpholomew Bark (talk) 21:02, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

It's not the speaking languages that's the problem, it's the scaling (but initially still very high) untyped bonus to attack rolls on a level 1 stance. --Foxwarrior (talk) 23:56, 7 October 2012 (UTC)