Talk:Shadowdancer, Tome (3.5e Prestige Class)

Ratings

Blocked Rating	Maxwell's Design likes this article and rated it 3 of 4.
	This rating refers to a substantially different version of the article, or concerns mentioned in it have already been addressed.Overpowered before 11-27-14, now seems balanced.

	TK-Squared favors this article and rated it 4 of 4!
	It's better than the original Shadowdancer in that it actually makes me want to take the class. It's interesting, nice abilities, worth taking and doesn't make you sad that you took it.

ThunderGod Cid favors this article and rated it 4 of 4!

Seems like a very effective way of bringing even the base rogue, which minus UMD is probably closer to Moderate-level than High, up to snuff in a Very High level game. Cool, thematically appropriate abilities, some nifty choices (choice is always good) for your action economy in Mirrorshard Blade, and prerequisites that aren't a total bitch to access. Suffice to say the SRD shadowdancer needed a redo, and it got a good one here.

Mirrorshard blade

Likely should spell it out that it vanishes when the mirror's relased, or something like that. No shadowdancer mining for you.

Editing

This page needs a balance point and rating update. I think paleo-wiki was where we last used this rating system. --Franken Kesey 22:06, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Balance Point added. - TG Cid 03:13, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Proposed Prereq and Ability Changes

This is currently a sneak attack only class, that lead to the previous creation of an assassin only variant that was largely redundant. If you had any interest in opening this up to other sneaky classes, you might be able to do something like the following:

Prereqs: Sneak Attack +3d6 5 levels in a class that grants precision damage

[...]

Precision Strikes: Each level in Shadowdancer advances the precision damage capabilities of a class the dancer had previously. They may advance sneak attack every 2 levels, advance death attack every level, and so on. If the shadowdancer had multiple clases that granted a precision damage progression, they must select one to advance each time they gain a level in shadowdancer.

Sneak Attack: Stuff

Just throwing that out there. - Tarkisflux ^Talk 15:39, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

The reason I deleted the Assassin version is that I don't think it went well with the Assassin kit. This is by and large meant for Rogues...who else would this class be a particularly good fit on? Surgo 15:41, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Ninjas? The Shadowdancer is an extraordinarily good replacement (to say the least), but that doesn't imply that in some table, someone wants to try this with a Ninja. They sacrifice the uses of ki for the ability to manipulate shadows, but otherwise it fits them. T.G. Oskar 18:39, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Maxwell's Design

Uhm, editing like that, without consulting anyone, is actually not allowed on this website. I forget where I read it, but you have to either discuss the class with it's maker, and see if they'll make the edits, or offer to adopt the article, and unless anyone objects, you can go ahead and make edits. You can't just take over another person's article. Though, I agree, this class does seem a little crazy, at a glance. -Hammerhead

This is assuming that you are the IP who made the edits, of course. Though, if you are, you also aren't supposed to rate an article you yourself designed. -Hammerhead

Edits are restricted per the author box entry, in order to lend weight and meaning to the author's name on the article. And self rating is against policy, which extends to your articles and articles you co-author. Articles that you just contribute a bit to are fine to rate though, as it would probably have been in this case if the edits didn't ruin afoul of editing restrictions. - Tarkisflux ^Talk 23:34, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Modest Opinion

I really like the class and all and I think Mirrorshard Blade is really cool but there is a small problem with it. Well first it come too later, you get it at level 14th and it may force you to abandon your cool magic weapons if you want to use your new shiny (literally) class feature. Second it a bit on the strong side, mainly my opposition is on the always flat-footed thing. It seem random and is a bit over the top. Personally I would give the ability at 1st or 2nd and give some of it ability over time. I would also nerf Reflective Offense a bit, maybe make it a standard action to use or something. --Leziad (talk) 16:52, 18 December 2016 (MST)

Bumb? --Leziad (talk) 12:33, 21 December 2016 (MST)

Makes sense. Let's see what I can do. I think I'll rename it to shadow blade as well or something. Surgo (talk) 17:17, 21 December 2016 (MST)