Talk:Awakened Chocobo (3.5e Race)

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Awakened Ferret?

Was this inspired by my Awakened Ferret race? Just curious. The Dire Reverend 08:35, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Chocobos (3.5e Race) actually. See the scathing reviews for more. -- Eiji-kun 08:58, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

A Beef With This Poultry

It looks like this was written rather hastily. There's stuff that should be here, but isn't, elaboration mostly. I'm rather surprised at how much calling them "chickens" annoyed me. I realize that it's the easiest comparison, but it's a bit misleading in the simplicity of it. They've always reminded me a bit of cassowaries or oversized roadrunners, but with nobility and the capacity of intelligence of a parrot or dog (able to recognize individuals and communicate in some rough fashion). Chickens are scatterbrained and excitable, hardly traits you'd want in a reliable mount or work animal.

I kinda wish you mentioned more biological information (their toe formation always felt like a defining trait worth mentioning) such as egg value and incubation time. Some detail on what the Wark language sounds like would be nice as well.

As for the mechanics, I'm primarily troubled by the inclusion of natural attacks, three of them at that. At first level, that's three attacks on a full attack action. With the weird way natural attacks scale with level, that's just not cool. Easy work-arounds include simply having different parts of their body count as weapons they are always armed with and deal whatever damage and damage types with whatever critical modifier you want. If you want a fancier work-around, see Mythic Beast (3.5e Race)#Feral Strike Weapons, which treats built-in weapons as closely as possible to manufactured weapons.

Also, I've got a chocobo image I drew up for Valentine, but he didn't want to use it for whatever reason. If you're interested in that, let me know. There was probably some other stuff, but I got distracted reading my own article. --Ganteka Future 03:37, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

It was hasty, though I'm not yet sure what needs elaboration. But it's funny... haven't they always been compared to giant chickens? I admit my chocobo lore is not great, but I wasn't aware of chocobos having much for personality (save the rare Boco in spinoff games and, arguably, FFT's Boco). They really do seem like scatterbrained giant chickens to me, though the comments on good traits for mounts and work animals is apt. I'll consider.

I mentioned no biological info because I have none. I based it partly on chicken and partly on horse biology to determine things like age and whatnot, but I'm unaware of any canon sources of chocobo lore. I know they're either herbavores or omnivores, and that in some games they stink. What's special about their feet anyway? Looks like a typical chicken foot to this non-farmhand.

On natural attacks, the inclusion of three is actually purposeful. Chocobos lack hands and short of some feats or items to bypass, they can't use weapons. So I gave them a useful set of natural weapons. At low levels, the higher than normal number of attacks is an intentional boon, one lost with time as extra attacks are introduced. They've no ability to upgrade the number of attacks beyond obtaining more natural weapons. For a natural weapon build, that's priority anyway. For a weapon build they've already taken the steps to gain a weapon. For those who don't use weapons (spellcasters) three attacks is pointless without the BAB to back up the power to hit. As such I don't see it as an issue. Kobolds (with expansion) actually have claw claw bite themselves, though in this case I actually expect them to be used, what with the lack of strength penalty.

I am interested in images. Do tell. -- Eiji-kun 08:27, 23 July 2012 (UTC)