Talk:Saiyan Warrior (3.5e Class)

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Iskerbabble favors this article and rated it 4 of 4!

I've played this class with an all Saiyan game and really enjoyed it. There are a lot of unbalanced and crappy DBZ classes out there, so it was a breath of fresh air to find this one so long ago. It's powerful, but not too overpowered. Some might say it can be abused, but in my opinion that goes for almost any good D&D class out there. As long as you have considerate players, and a decent DM, it's a class that can be enjoyed.

	TheOgre favors this article and rated it 4 of 4!
	Loving the descriptions and lore and series tie ins. Seen some very poor attempts at dbz style classes. Been a pleasure playing this. Balancing is fine for the most part provided dm isnt out to lunch and doesnt allow metagaming and abuse.

	Bigthirsty favors this article and rated it 4 of 4!
	Ive been playing a campaign with your class for about 5 months now and ive been loving it. The changes youve been making have been great too im just curious if youve looked at making ultra instinct at some point.Bigthirsty (talk) 15:44, 12 November 2017 (MST)

	Zhenra-Khal favors this article and rated it 4 of 4!
	Much like the corresponding race, this is probably my favorite adaption of the DBZ warriors in existence. It's well-written, and appropriately powerful.

	balmz favors this article and rated it 4 of 4!
	Easily one of my favorite articles on the wiki, very well done

	Franken Kesey favors this article and rated it 4 of 4!
	Finally a class that take a role similar to a monk – but is amazing at it! Also really like the Super Saiyan abilities.

	ZandarLightfoot favors this article and rated it 4 of 4!
	It's great! Apparently not complete, as there is no description for most of the epic level stuff, but still great nonetheless!

Blocked Rating	Kosta likes this article and rated it 3 of 4.
	This rating refers to a substantially different version of the article, or concerns mentioned in it have already been addressed.Would fav if you buffed him a little more. *wink, wink*

Gave the class a considerable bump in power with Super Saiyan God and Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan, not to mention I also created alternate stat bonus for Planar Shepard campaigns which can be found towards the bottom of the page. The-Marksman (talk) 12:38, 11 June 2019 (MDT)

Blocked Rating	Drakathen likes this article and rated it 3 of 4.
	They didn't actually write a reason for their rating here. They could add it by adding |reason=<stuff> to their rating (per the directions), and should do so soon or the rating will be removed.

You should fill in a reason why you like it. You can edit it after the fact by hitting the edit button in the top right. -- Eiji-kun (talk) 00:01, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Blocked Rating	Planterobloon is neutral on this article and rated it 2 of 4.
	This rating refers to a substantially different version of the article, or concerns mentioned in it have already been addressed.I like the idea, but perhaps some more feat separations are in order. I also can't find the Oozaru description anywhere, and the SS levels may need some DR at higher levels. Just saiyan. :)

I have added the damage reduction and Oozaru is a racial feature, which can be found here. The-Marksman (talk) 06:01, 10 June 2019 (MDT)

Blocked Rating	Fluffykittens dislikes this article and rated it 1 of 4.
	This rating refers to a substantially different version of the article, or concerns mentioned in it have already been addressed.If this was a simple monk ACF, I would rate it neutral. As is, DBZ flavor does not mesh well with DND, and this class is excessively long.

Ghostwheel opposes this article and rated it 0 of 4.

First, making a class based off of a franchise without removing the flavor of the franchise is pretty silly. Second, DBZ doesn't fit well with the D&D mechanics. Third, it keeps saying "Saiyan" but there's no racial requirement on it--and if there is, then the scope of this class would be incredibly limited. Fourth, instead of making a whole class for it you should just reflavor psionics--they work incredibly well. Fifth, not all the abilities jive with the flavor. Example - all saiyan warriors learn fusion dance at level 13 automatically rather than having to learn it? Doesn't jive with the series flavor.

To the recent edits.

Do not make mechanical edits to other people's pages until addressing the discussion page here. We maintain author ownership as important, so if you want to have a hand on this class you need to either ask the author, or request to adopt here. -- Eiji-kun (talk) 00:14, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

Rework notes

Okay so I've gone through and reworked some stuff and made the page slightly more organized and easier to read/follow. I tweaked the wording on the monk like abilities to make it more clear that the levels of monk and Saiyan Warrior stack and that monks can go back to being monks after. Changed the hit die from d8 to d10, increased the damage on ki volley from 1d6 to be equal to unarmed damage. I changed the Style choice at first level to give you a relevant bonus feat and MASSIVELY updated the list of bonus feats to provide A LOT more options for people choosing to go offense or defense instead of ki to make them more viable. Kosta, consider the class now "buffed" up a little more. Also I would say look at the link for alternate Super Saiyan Stats I made for more epic campaigns (here)

I took the feedback from the above ratings and gave damage reduction to the Super Saiyan transformations, and Planterobloon I view Oozaru as a racial feature, not a class related one, so that's on the Saiyan racial page that I made (Here) which is linked 3 times in the article, twice at the beginning and once at the very end, and I even added a little snippet about Oozaru at the bottom just for you! ;)

Based on the feedback from ZandarLightfoot I completely threw out my old terrible framework that I had on Epic level Saiyan Warriors and got rid of Super Saiyan 4 and Golden Oozaru since the new Dragonball Z Battle Of Gods and Resurrection of F movies and Dragonball Super series make Dragonball GT no longer cannon. I completely reworked it off of these new series made by the original author Akira Toriyama. In these new series, Goku and Vegeta BOTH become Gods. Literally, they say it in so many words, so I used the Deities and Demigods handbook in the first chapter to find out what one gets for having 0 or 1 divine rank and worked off that to try and make Epic abilities.

To Fluffykittens I apologize that the class is so long, but it needs to be in order to get all of the correct details into the class and make sure that I'm doing the series justice as much as I can in a D&D environment. If theres some specific part of this you feel isn't right and you'd like to go over which parts arnt good or balanced I'd be happy to look at it.

To Ghostwheel, this class is intended for just the one race, and that was intentional since the Super Saiyan transformation is specifically a racial legend. I actually did have it listed at the top of the class table where it belongs that it has racial entry requirements. You wrote the most of anyone, but gave the least 'constructive' criticism. Other than making specific rules for them going on a pilgrimage or signing up for Fusion Dance classes at the local inn, I'm not sure how to address your concerns. If you'd like to give more constructive feedback other than scraping the project and using psionics, I'm open to addressing any concerns you have. The-Marksman (talk) 00:48, 11 November 2017 (MST)

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