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* A reminder to figure out a solution to doing category exclusion for #ask to eliminate all dpl lists that use |notcategory=, such as on [[3.5e Class Ability Components]] under the Published Abilities listing. --[[User:Ganteka Future|Ganteka Future]] 02:42, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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:* Non-pretty solution is to just add a new category, like "WotC" or "Published" or even reuse "SRD" (though it's not technically correct) to differentiate user created stuff from other, ending overlap and allowing a simple conjunction to find the proper pages. Since I think that's the only page that suffers like that, I don't think it would be hard to implement.- [[User:Tarkisflux|Tarkisflux]] 03:23, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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::I've been asking for this feature in Semantic MediaWiki for over a year. I might hack it in myself. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 13:01, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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:::I made a handy listing of all the remaining dpl using pages: [[User:Ganteka Future/DrawingBoard3]] --[[User:Ganteka Future|Ganteka Future]] 18:24, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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::::Some of those need updating period, some of those can be converted to just use Category:User. Leave this one to me. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 18:39, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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* Don't know if this is a bug, but it doesn't look like any of the images from the wiki got ported over. Was this intentional, and if not, when can we expect to see the pictures get transferred? --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] 08:30, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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::Half-intentional. This is the easiest way to deal with licensing issues by far. I'd like properly licensed pictures to be ported though, that might be able to be done automatically when I have time (feel free to add pictures for your own stuff before then though).
 
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* Can we get the [SMW:ON/OFF] hack working over here? - [[User:Tarkisflux|Tarkisflux]] 07:30, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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:I thought it was. It's two colons, not one. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 12:58, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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::It wasn't working before, and it still isn't ([[Chthonic_Serpent_%283.5e_Martial_Discipline%29/All_Maneuvers|example]]). And yes, 2 colons, but then I have to nowiki it so you can see it, and I was feeling lazy. - [[User:Tarkisflux|Tarkisflux]] 15:05, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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:::Investigated the issue -- it appears to work fine for properties set by <nowiki>[[Property::Value]], but not for properties set by {{#set:Property=Value}}</nowiki> [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 19:54, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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::::So, massive template update, or hack to make that work as well sometime? - [[User:Tarkisflux|Tarkisflux]] 19:55, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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:::::I'll try to fix it in the SMW source. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 20:15, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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::::::Whenever you get around to fixing this in SMW source, can you also get the number type to recognize fractions? - [[User:Tarkisflux|Tarkisflux]] 22:17, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 
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*If interwiki links to other wikia sites are supposed to still work, then this is a bug since they aren't right now. If they're not supposed to work, we're going to need to bot fix the canon section's external links ([[Canon:Abeir-Toril|example at bottom of page]]). - [[User:Tarkisflux|Tarkisflux]] 01:55, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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:Get me a list of the desired interwikis we want to work, and I can make it work. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 01:56, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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::List:
 
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::*forgottenrealms.wikia.com
 
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::*eberron.wikia.com
 
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::*<stuff that Daranios will need to add since I'm not all that sure what else we're linking to>
 
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::*spelljammer.wikia.com would be nice as an interwiki link, too. It's good to see that links to Wikipedia already work nicely!
 
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*Forums are still broken, and don't list subforums / topics properly.
 
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*Print friendly pages apparently use part of the vector skin as background (border-dnd.png), turning the page gray. Example: [http://www.dnd-wiki.org/w/index.php?title=SRD:System_Reference_Document&printable=yes as seen here]. --[[User:Ganteka Future|Ganteka Future]] 06:31, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 
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*Bug: Display error on 4e Powers List Articles.  Powers with the correct Categories are not displaying on their appropriate Powers List.  Dpl error? --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 00:16, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 
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:4e problems are known. The entire 4e system needs overhaul. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 00:21, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 
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::Yeah, it's a DPL error. One that we're not going to fix in favor of migrating to semantic data for 4e like we have for 3.5e. I've thrown up a few ask querries on the black lion power page that you can copy/paste/adjust for the rest of the page to make it work properly. I could even make it include the powers if you wanted. - [[User:Tarkisflux|Tarkisflux]] 01:23, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 
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:::The querries will work for now.  Thanks Tarkis.  We can talk more about format improvements on my talk page.  --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 01:54, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 
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*Bug: The '4e Powers Breadcrumb' is incorrectly adding the text 'Powers' to anything imput into the '1=class name here' section.  So my 'Black Lion (4e Powers List)' had to be moved to 'Black Lion Powers (4e Powers List)'.  Otherwise the link would show red.  --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 00:19, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 
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:4e problems are known. The entire 4e system needs overhaul. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 00:21, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 
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::Understood.  Halting class construction in progress.  Thanks.  --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 00:24, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 
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:::No need to halt it, what's already there will be smoothly transitioned. Stuff just might not work fully until we fix it. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 00:28, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 
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::::Very well.  I'll finish the uploads and see if I can make it work.  Tarkis' querries will help the presentation be useable.  Thanks.  --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 01:54, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 
  
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==A Round of Applause==
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:Archives: [[User talk:Surgo/Archive 1|1]].
  
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*Sup Surgo.  I like the new site.  Good work.  Listen, you don't get thanked much for all that you do.  Comes with the territory, I guess.  Whatever the reasons...  Thanks.  No seriously.  Thank you.  Speaking frankly, I haven't contributed much to the sites.  But what I have, I feel is best shown with guys like you in charge.  Makes me feel like writing what I did, meant something.  If only to one person, then so be it.  I mean, we all know what crappy Admins look like.  It's rare to find a good one.  Even one as stubborn as you.  Heh.  ...From one user to another.  Good job.  And Godspeed.  --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 10:38, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
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== Yay Captcha! ==
  
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== d20 NPCs transition ==
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Good to see our shields are up again.  Course, it would be ideal if we didn't need them, but you know those crazy spammers.  I'll keep a look-out for any bypasses. -- [[User:Eiji-kun|Eiji-kun]] 06:53, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
  
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Hey Surgo, nice place you got here :)
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== Boo Capchas ==
  
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It looks like the d20 NPCs Wikia wiki is pretty dead, as it seems I'm the only one active over there ([http://d20npcs.wikia.com/index.php?title=Forum:Leave_Wikia%3F&t=20101018162444 transition forum post]). So, if you're still willing to do some merging of the NPC content from that wiki, I'd love to continue to contribute to it here. The d20 NPCs wiki had d20 Modern, Star Wars, Mutants and Masterminds, and some others, in addition to 3.5e D&D NPCs. I'm really only interested in the D&D 3.5e NPCs personally. So, a few questions:
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Well, not boo in that we have them, but boo in that they are giving us a PHP error:
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* Do you think it appropriate to expand the [[3.5e NPCs]] area here with content from [http://d20npcs.wikia.com/ the d20 NPCs wiki]?
 
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* If so, a simple database dump may not fit with the naming conventions that you have here; what naming convention(s) would be best for that content?
 
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* [[File:StatPathfinder sample.png|right|thumb|Pathfinder stat block]]The d20 NPCs had been using [http://d20npcs.wikia.com/index.php?title=Template:StatDMG2 their own template] based of the DMG2-style stat block, and a [http://d20npcs.wikia.com/index.php?title=Template:StatShort "Short" stat block] for doing inline, paragraph-style stats. I'd have to look more deeply at your [[Template:Stat Block 2|Stat Block 2 template]], but things I like about the d20 NPCs variants that I helped develop include allowing a partial stat block (useful if you want to have a "when not raging"/"when raging" block for Barbarians that only shows what changes, or "in wolf form" for werewolves and other shape-shifters), and the look is more literally like what's in the DMG2 (making it easy to skim a stat block if you're used to reading published materials). I also have created a "Pathfinder" style template for my own personal wiki, that I never took over to the d20 NPCs wiki that I could add here, if it's useful. So, should imports from the d20 NPCs wiki be converted to your template(s), or should the template(s) here be updated and convert the NPCs you have here to a new template?
 
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* The d20 NPCs wiki has a [http://d20npcs.wikia.com/wiki/Template:DieRoll DieRoll template] (along with the [http://d20npcs.wikia.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js javascript] to make it work) that allows die rolling right from the stat blocks; could we add something like that here, for DMs to play NPCs right off the page from a laptop at the gaming table?
 
  
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--<span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:MidnightLightning|MidnightLightning]]</span>☇([[User Talk:MidnightLightning|talk]]) 13:48, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
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Fatal error: Call to undefined function curl_init() in /var/www/w/extensions/Asirra/Asirra.class.php on line 78"
  
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:In order:
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This is blocking reddir from saving pages from what he said in IRC. --[[User:Havvy|Havvy]] 13:28, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
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:* Yes
 
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:* For cleanliness, a merge would be performed by making a "d20npcs" namespace and importing all your articles into that then moving them into their own namespace. I'd probably be up for creating a new namespace, NPC:, to hold the sudden influx.
 
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:* I believe the best idea here is to make a new version of Stat Block 2 (with a better name), that's capable of also outputting a short stat block. If you read that template you'll note it's a total mess; I'd like to reimplement it in Winter or Lua to be cleaner. With those languages it should be much easier to have a short form stat block as well.
 
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:* I don't see why not.
 
  
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:[[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 18:42, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
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:Error has been fixed, but the CAPTCHA has been turned off. And uh, shit, this has probably prevented anyone from registering on the site since we moved servers. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 16:37, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
  
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::Great! Well, I'll do some work seeing if I can get a customized database export of d20 NPCS that only includes the D&D NPCs. Regarding updating the NPC template, what is the benefit of Winter/Lua over existing parser functions? I can see where the extra Winter functions would be useful for looping and branching, but the only branching the template needs to do is a "if variable is empty", which Mediawiki already has parser functions for. The only real advanced math that gets done is calculating an ability score's modifier if you wanted to do that dynamically, which can be done with parser functions ([http://d20npcs.wikia.com/wiki/Template:AbilityMod like this]), but might be shorter/cleaner in Winter/Lua?
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::I never saw a CAPTCHA offered, even when I tried to make an edit after logging out. Its not normally a problem for me. [[User:Reddir|Be Well]] 13:44, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
  
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::In thinking about this more, probably the best first steps would be to start with the NPC template, and get the NPCs that are already here updated and working with the new template, and then get a dump from d20 NPCs and integrate them. I took a look around at the existing NPCs you've got here, and I have a few suggestions on them. You and the other editors here have done an excellent job organizing and displaying custom Class, Race, Template, Feat, Spell, etc. content, but it looks like the NPC organization has some room for improvement. My suggestions from an outside perspective are:
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:::CAPTCHA reenabled. Problem with curl should be fixed. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 14:10, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
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::* Some of custom Classes pages have sample NPCs (like [[Grim_(3.5e_Class)#Ian_Jackdaw|the Grim class]]). I'd suggest moving the NPC to their own page, and cross-linking it from the Class page. That way, the semantic data about the NPC is separate from the data about the Class.
 
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::* If a separate namespace like "NPC:" is setup, should custom Monsters be added to that namespace as well? I can't think of a generic term that includes both NPCs and Monsters, other than "creatures", which doesn't sound right for humanoid NPCs... if there was a term to unify those two groups, that would likely be the best option.
 
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::* Improving the template used could add several organizational benefits, including:
 
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::** Most of the NPCs here are created from custom Classes also posted here. NPCs in published materials reference sources when using non-SRD content, and the d20 NPCs wiki did that with a "uses Rulebook" semantic field. I'd suggest a semantic field like "uses source" to be able to link to pages in this wiki with the custom content, or a [[Wizards of the Coast|WotC sourcebook]]. Ensuring that NPCs have links to their sources, especially custom ones, would allow a DM thinking of using that NPC the ability to quickly see if the custom class/feat/etc. has been given Balance Points, to get a sense of how it would mesh with their campaign.
 
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::** In the current template, the Creature Type links to the SRD page on that creature type. And while the creature type pages have a list of creatures with that type, the semantic query on those pages is only for SRD creatures. So for a creature like the [[Aerodactyl (3.5e Monster)|Aerodactyl]], clicking on its type leads you to the [[SRD:Dragon Type]] page, but that page doesn't list the Aerodactyl as a NPC using that type. Maybe simply adding a "View all (including non-SRD) creatures of this Type" link under the SRD table, leading to a full-wiki semantic search for that creature type would do the trick.
 
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::** Die rolling right from the template
 
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::** Add a "Race" semantic property, which for custom races on this wiki, could then include in the race description a quick link to "Creatures using this race"
 
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::** Add a toggle to not have semantic data for that entry (such that for short blocks, like barbarian "while raging" blocks, the semantic data doesn't double-up)
 
  
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::--<span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:MidnightLightning|MidnightLightning]]</span>☇([[User Talk:MidnightLightning|talk]]) 19:29, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
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::::Testing...Yay! I can still post. [[User:Reddir|Be Well]] 15:15, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
  
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:::You'll have to do the database dump for D&D NPCs yourself. Make a semantic query that lists every appropriate NPC, then copy/paste that list into Special:Export. Don't include templates, and include the whole history. Gzip that and send it over to me.
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== Lizardfolk Paragon is now CommFave ==
  
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:::As far Creature subtypes go, the "Classic Monster" template already checks if the subtype is in the SRD and links to the SRD if it is, or the custom subtype pages if it's not. ''(This is one of the many conditionals/branches that get used in monster templates that I think you aren't currently seeing in "Stat Block 2" because it's just too much of a pain to edit.)'' The SRD subtype pages could be so enhanced.
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Enjoy and all that. Put it in the rotation and all that. - [[User:MisterSinister|MisterSinister]] 08:36, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
  
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:::That toggle...again, another advantage of having Winter/Lua. Doing anything with parser functions is insanely verbose and hard to modify. Also, the toggle in general may be broken right now. We'll see what's up. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 19:49, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
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==Ratings Update==
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Following the recent wiki vote on ratings granularity and display, all old ratings can be updated to make use of "love / like / neutral / dislike / hate" instead of the old values. If you would like to update your ratings, you can find a list of them at [[:Category:Legacy Rating Surgo]]. When you update a rating, be sure to delete the "|OldRating=True" part. - [[User:Tarkisflux|Tarkisflux]] <sup>[[User talk:Tarkisflux|Talk]]</sup>  17:54, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
  
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::::It would be relatively easy to add an ask query to the SRD Type pages that listed homebrew monsters and NPCs with that type in addition to the SRD ones. It's just a manual thing that we need to add if we want, and then probably clearly indicate it is not a part of the SRD. You can also sort by type on the monster page though, though that may be insufficiently easy.
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== AddRating Stuffs ==
  
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::::We can do any new properties we need to and I like the idea of doing a "Race" property that can be used to list them on race pages. "Uses Rulebook" seems somewhat excessive to me though, since I don't see why we'd ever search for it and standard references on a page seem sufficient to point people at stuff that we can't post here due to copyright. Am I missing something there? - [[User:Tarkisflux|Tarkisflux]] 17:19, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
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Can you update the ip error text so that it contains an intended line break at a nice place instead of breaking at its current weird place?
  
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:::::I've found a "Uses Rulebook" data element most useful because it's always in the same place on the page (Semantic datablock), and I know immediately if this NPC uses custom content (so, generally they're good for exclusion searches; if you're a PC and your DM has excluded certain content, or you as DM want to follow your own guidelines). Having the standard reference at the top of the stat block for class and race, with the spell list for custom spells, and with feats for custom feats means you may miss a reference on first read. I definitely think each NPC should cite where its content comes from, but if we don't want to make it Semantic, that's not critical in my eyes. --<span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:MidnightLightning|MidnightLightning]]</span>☇([[User Talk:MidnightLightning|talk]]) 21:01, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
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Can you trigger the ip error before they have a chance to write (and then lose) their review? If not, can you display their review for them to copy before they log in so they can then paste it back in? - [[User:Tarkisflux|Tarkisflux]] <sup>[[User talk:Tarkisflux|Talk]]</sup>  02:51, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
  
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::::::Exclusionary searches are a fair call that I hadn't considered, so I'm sold. I've also modified the [[SRD:Aberration Type]] page to show homebrew monsters. Was that what you had in mind? - [[User:Tarkisflux|Tarkisflux]] 22:19, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
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:I can't do this tonight. For the second paragraph, the former is not possible. The later may be possible. This could take some time though. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 03:05, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
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{{Discussion Indentation Revert}}
 
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: So if you want to install the Winter plugin, I'd be happy to start messing around with options (sandbox started over at [[User:MidnightLightning/Stat templates]]). --<span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:MidnightLightning|MidnightLightning]]</span>☇([[User Talk:MidnightLightning|talk]]) 13:37, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 
  
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::It's already installed; feel free to use Lua too if you wish (that's installed as well). I was hoping to get to it myself this weekend. The end result needs to be readable (the code, that is). The current code is not readable. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 15:40, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
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::I'd actually like to do the latter as part of a "rewrite your rating if it exists" thing. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 03:21, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
  
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:::Okay, I've got a list of articles from the d20NPCs wiki. The individual page list is on [[User:MidnightLightning/d20 import|my scratch page]] if you want that for automated bot edits or such. The actual XML file can be grabbed from [http://www.mediafire.com/?ghacg2cjlng314n mediafire] --<span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:MidnightLightning|MidnightLightning]]</span>☇([[User Talk:MidnightLightning|talk]]) 14:31, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
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:::That's fine. Just tested as an ip, saw weirdness, didn't want to forget it. - [[User:Tarkisflux|Tarkisflux]] <sup>[[User talk:Tarkisflux|Talk]]</sup> 04:57, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
  
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::::Just checking in; it's been a few months and I'm getting back to editing my own D&D articles. Has anything come of the d20 NPCs import idea? --<span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:MidnightLightning|MidnightLightning]]</span>☇([[User Talk:MidnightLightning|talk]]) 20:53, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
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== Ninja Surprise! ==
  
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:::::Ah, I was worried you had vanished! I didn't want to do anything without having you around to admin it -- I'd be happy to get the ball rolling now. Hop into chat at some point. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 21:46, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
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By the by... [[Shinobi (3.5e Class)|I made my attempt.]]  So far results have been positive. -- [[User:Eiji-kun|Eiji-kun]] 17:06, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
  
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== Winter issue ==
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:Thanks, I'll check it out when I have some free time at work or get home. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 17:10, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
  
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Not sure this a bug, or a syntax error of mine - entering the following on a page
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==Chat Game==
  
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<nowinter><pre>
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We can do it today if you are up for it. --[[User:Leziad|Leziad]] 23:48, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
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{{#if | 1 || level one {{#if | 1 || level two {{#if | 1 || level three}} }} }}
 
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should yield "level one level two level three", but instead it yields "<nowiki>level one <nowinter>{{#if | 1 </nowinter></nowiki>". It actually looks like things three levels deep are not being evaluated properly. Is the <tt>$wgWinterMaxNesting</tt> variable set to something much less than the default 50? --<span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:MidnightLightning|MidnightLightning]]</span>☇([[User Talk:MidnightLightning|talk]]) 19:51, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
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: Another one tonight if you are available. --[[User:Leziad|Leziad]] 00:33, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
  
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:Not sure if this applies to winter, but don't you need a colon after each #if?
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== So, I tried the whole Lisp thing... ==
  
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::That's what separates the Winter functions from the ParserFunctions; ParserFunctions have a colon, Winter functions don't. --[[Special:Contributions/184.60.8.69|184.60.8.69]] 00:07, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
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Yeah, I decided I'd actually try it, and I'm not having much luck. I'm using Lispbox (i.e. emacs), and I was just trying to write some simple functions, and the results were... rather weird. Specifically, I wrote this:
  
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:::If you think Winter sucks, we don't have to use it. We can use Lua or Scheme (I can make an extension that calls an external Scheme interpreter). [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 01:12, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
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(defun square (x) (* x x))
  
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::::I'm not saying Winter sucks, I'm saying Winter isn't working like its documentation seems to say it should be. If it's a syntax error of mine, I suck. If the extension is not doing what it says it should be doing, then the extension sucks. Or at least that's what I'm interpreting; I haven't worked with Winter or Lua or Scheme before, and picked Winter because it looked easiest to pick up. I'll give Lua a try too and see how that works out. --<span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:MidnightLightning|MidnightLightning]]</span>☇([[User Talk:MidnightLightning|talk]]) 15:53, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
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And the REPL seemed fine with it. Then, I tried this:
  
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::::I installed the Winter plugin on my home wiki, and got the same result, so it's likely not just the installation here. I left a comment for the Extension creator, and we'll see what happens. --<span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:MidnightLightning|MidnightLightning]]</span>☇([[User Talk:MidnightLightning|talk]]) 13:36, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
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(square (2))
  
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:The Winter creator [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:Winter#Nested_.23if_issues responded] and indeed it is a bug with the extension, that will be fixed in the next version (whenever that is). --<span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:MidnightLightning|MidnightLightning]]</span>☇([[User Talk:MidnightLightning|talk]]) 17:32, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
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And what I got was this:
  
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== Lua not working ==
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Car of (2) is not a function name or lambda-expression.
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  [Condition of type CCL::SIMPLE-PROGRAM-ERROR]
  
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Aaaaand, the Lua extension seems to not be responding properly either:
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[Restart options go here]
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<pre><nowiki>&raquo;<lua>
 
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print("Hello World!")
 
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print("Hello World!")
 
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</lua>&laquo; (an empty string return). Also, the <tt>#luaexpr</tt> parser function breaks the page (putting it in a page causes the server to return a blank page (hard to un-edit...). So I'm guessing the Lua interpreter that the extension is trying to hand off to is not handling things properly? --<span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:MidnightLightning|MidnightLightning]]</span>☇([[User Talk:MidnightLightning|talk]]) 13:16, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 
  
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:I haven't been able to test it myself yet, I'll take a look when I get home.[[Special:Contributions/97.252.91.224|97.252.91.224]] 17:01, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
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Backtrace:
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  0: (CCL::CHEAP-EVAL-IN-ENVIRONMENT (SQUARE (2)) NIL)
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  1: (CCL::CHEAP-EVAL (SQUARE (2)))
  
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::Had a chance to take a look at this yet? I'll move forward with the NPC template redesign once some extension is working properly. --<span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:MidnightLightning|MidnightLightning]]</span>☇([[User Talk:MidnightLightning|talk]]) 19:26, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
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I am... completely confused as to why this is happening, and I had nobody else to ask. I would appreciate any help ''immensely'', because I very much would like to like Lisp (and be able to use it). - [[User:MisterSinister|MisterSinister]] ([[User talk:MisterSinister|talk]]) 08:33, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
  
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==Call to Arms!==
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:You wanted to write (square 2), not (square (2)). Function calling goes (function arg1 arg2...), and if you put anything inside parenthesis (this isn't exactly what happens, but is enough for the purposes of this discussion) it tries to evaluate it as if its a function. So (square (2)) is trying to evaluate a function "2", as if you had just typed (2). This function doesn't exist, so it errors out. Much more specific explanation (which you may or may not understand) in the paragraphs below.
  
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Could you take a look at either my: [[Sith/ Jedi (3.5e Class)]], [[Uongo-mijusi (3.5e Race)]], or [[Viveka Spectre (3.5e Prestige Class)]]? Thanks --[[User:Franken Kesey|Franken Kesey]] 00:51, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
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:What actually happens in the evaluation (or a reasonably close approximation of what happens) is that when the interpreter sees a () list, it takes the "car" (the first element) of the list and tries to evaluate it. This can be either a function, a macro, or a special form (some things like if, or lambda). If it's none of the above, it doesn't know what to do so it has to bail out. So take (square (2)). It goes from left to right...okay we see (square, and square is a function, so evaluate it. Now we have (2, try to evaluate it...error! (It doesn't go from inner to outer because of macros, which you'll learn about later.)
  
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== Is anyone moderating the old wiki? ==
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:You might wonder -- why the hell does (defun) not work that way? That's because defun is a macro -- a macro is a construct that is like a function, but is evaluated at compile time (instead of run time) and does ''not'' interpret its arguments when called. So the macro gets (x) (* x x) as its arguments -- not the results of evaluating (x) and (* x x).
  
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I was wondering if anyone was moderating the old wiki, because I had put the delete template on my work there (after my work was transferred over to here) mainly because I was not going to update both wikis, and I dndnt want people to confuse the two. They have not been deleted yet, and I have resorted to blanking the page, keeping only the delete template and the sentence ''"You just lost The Game"''  [[User:The Dire Reverend|The Dire Reverend]] 20:20, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
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:Hope that helps. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 13:05, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
  
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:I am, but I'm also waiting to see how the current delete requests and page blanking plays out with wikia staff given the way they're handling other wikis that have left. I'm going to give it another week or so before I start deleting stuff just in case. Any of the other guys who used to admin there can beat me to it though, since no one has lost rights over there as far as I can tell. - [[User:Tarkisflux|Tarkisflux]] 20:59, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
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::Thanks - that actually makes sense. - [[User:MisterSinister|MisterSinister]] ([[User talk:MisterSinister|talk]]) 19:10, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
  
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::Well, my article at the old wiki is 1/5 so according to your policy, it needs to be deleted anyways. [[User:The Dire Reverend|The Dire Reverend]] 21:14, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
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== Comm Faves ==
  
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:::Yeah, but there's a 30 day from last edit countdown on that one (that I'm ignoring in favor of the delete request). I'll do it, but if you want it gone sooner than I've said I'm going to you could probably bug any of [http://dungeons.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&group=sysop these guys] over here. - [[User:Tarkisflux|Tarkisflux]] 21:38, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
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Turns out your Tome Ninja is a Comm Fave, but it doesn't have a blurb and isn't in the front page rotation. Here's a link to the blurb preload loader if you wanted to fix that: [[Project:Rating Articles#Favorite Blurb|linky]]. The Tome Monk needs one too, if you wanted to write up two while you were at it. - [[User:Tarkisflux|Tarkisflux]] <sup>[[User talk:Tarkisflux|Talk]]</sup>  20:49, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
  
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== Wiki Transfer Service ==
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:I think what we really need are ''images''. Could anyone help with that? [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 17:19, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
  
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To help bring more content to DnD-Wiki, I want to propose a transfer service of content from any source to the wiki.  I would be running it, and start out with a thread in the GitP homebrew forums.  Before I do this though, I wish to obtain permission from you.  As such, I am requesting permission.  --[[User:Havvy|Havvy]] 18:23, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
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== Editing Tyranny Domain ==
  
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:Sure. Sounds like good advertising in any case! [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 22:47, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
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There need to be some additions and changes to Tyranny Domain. The list of compulsion type spells associated with Tyranny are incomplete. The list of total deities that align with the Tyranny Domain are incomplete. The WotC database has other different material, but they aren't open to public edits. As it stands, these are just minor edits based on the actual domain features, and the full list of spells. It's not an earth shattering edit really? At least it doesn't seem so.
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Can I just add the missing date (it's taken me hours of research to complete this) without a rollback please?
  
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::Permission acknowledged. --[[User:Havvy|Havvy]] 22:48, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
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:I'm not Surgo but I can answer for him (because I would have done the same thing). The domain you edited is a homebrew replacement and not intended to be a reprint of the WotC one (which I'm pretty sure is not OGL, and so not content we are allowed to host). The reason the edits you made got reverted is that they were substantial changes to a contributor's work that is associated with their name, and is not the vision they had for the work. I can add a note to the top to indicate that it's supposed to be a replacement, since it wasn't clear otherwise, but that's about as far as we can go with it. Letting you make the changes you'd like to wouldn't correct it, since it was never intended to reflect the WotC original. - [[User:Tarkisflux|Tarkisflux]] <sup>[[User talk:Tarkisflux|Talk]]</sup>  16:25, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
  
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:::This probably goes without saying, but make sure that anyone you offer transcription to gives you permission to post their work under the CC-BY-SA 3.0. It's kinda important. - [[User:Tarkisflux|Tarkisflux]] 22:50, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
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Gotcha. I missed that it was homebrew. I'll just find add another.
  
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== Racial Vital Stat Templates ==
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==Chronicles of Astinus==
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Hello! I had some time today and have now imported the articles from [http://dragonlance.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page Chronicles of Astinus] into the [http://www.dnd-wiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3APrefixIndex&prefix=&namespace=150 DnDWiki namespace]. I thought it would not be too much trouble to go ahead and do this manually, but it was quite some more than I expected. Inbetween I messed up the main page (I still do not know, why the import did not change any pages which names already did exist, like [[Caramon Majere]], but seems to HAVE changed the main page) - I hope there was no harm done and I'm really sorry about that. In any case, if we carry on importing Spelljammer Wiki some time in the future, I would be happy if you might find a non-manual solution some time. But now there will be lots of work for adapting the stuff from Chronicles of Astinus :-). I also made a page [[Dungeons and Dragons Wiki:Chronicles of Astinus]] (in accordance with [[Dungeons and Dragons Wiki:DnDWiki]]/[[Dungeons and Dragons Wiki:DnDWiki import]]).<br>
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One problem I could not solve: I could not import [http://dragonlance.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Pantheon_of_Dragonlance Template:Pantheon of Dragonlance] because it is so large. Would you have any idea how to solve that? Thanks in any case. [[User:Daranios|Daranios]] ([[User talk:Daranios|talk]]) 18:01, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
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:By the way: Would it be possible to upload svg-files? This seems to be possible at Wikipedia, but not (yet) here. I would be interested in: [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/eb/Ansalon_Post_Cataclysm.svg Ansalon Post Catacylsm]. Thanks a lot for giving it a thought! [[User:Daranios|Daranios]] ([[User talk:Daranios|talk]]) 16:06, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
  
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To help hide wiki syntax from users who don't want to see it, I think that the racial vital stats should be templates. As such, I went and created a template: [[Template:3.5e Racial Starting Age|<nowiki>{{3.5e Racial Starting Age}}</nowiki>]]
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::That template is ''really nasty''. I'll see what I can do about it, but it depends on a lot of stuff that we don't have. I can enable svg rendering and hopefully it won't put too much of a strain on the server -- to be honest, I never even realized it was turned off. I might not even have to install anything extra. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 19:30, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
  
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This is for the racial starting age only. The other two tables can be made just as easily.  Can I get your go-ahead (or anybody who has permission) to change the racial preload to remove the hard-coded table and add the templates in?  --[[User:Havvy|Havvy]] 08:04, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
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:::Holy crap that template is crazy. It's only used on two pages though, and going without it or working up a (less crazy and probably less pretty) replacement doesn't seem too difficult. Alternately, it could be saved as an image and loaded into the page in that format. Not interactive, but also easy to implement.
  
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:Sure, simplification improvements are good. Have yourself a party. - [[User:Tarkisflux|Tarkisflux]] 17:24, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
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:::As for svg, if it's problematic we can always save the image to a different format and upload new format with the same licensing information. That might lose the image history, but I think it works out ok. - [[User:Tarkisflux|Tarkisflux]] <sup>[[User talk:Tarkisflux|Talk]]</sup>  21:01, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
  
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== deletion of article on nethack ==
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::::Right! Just let me know if it works out or not, otherwise I will have a look to change the format. Thanks! [[User:Daranios|Daranios]] ([[User talk:Daranios|talk]]) 14:55, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
  
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Hi, I see you deleted [[Nethack]] with edit summary "Blatant abuse of admin authority: We aren't Wikipedia, this is nothing but spam".
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== Rating Block Notice ==
  
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I created that article in dnd.wikia.com because Vercalos [http://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#Request_for_aid asked for it], and because the game is based strongly enough on editions 1-2 of Dungeons and Dragons to make an article seem fitting.
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{{RatingNotice|Creepy Kid (3.5e Feat)}}
  
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D&D and Nethack are quite similar, especially earlier versions. The entire melee combat system was copied, and the catalogue of weapons and monsters mostly copied. Later, there were additions from all kinds of sources. Today, a player of D&D will still feel mostly at home. Unfortunately, I don't really know D&D.
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==Adoption==
  
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Also, I don't understand your point about admin authority: I am not an admin at any D&D related wiki, and ordinary editing work doesn't have anything to do with adminship as I understand it.
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Can I get your get your blessing to adopt the [[S'uuisku (3.5e Race)]] page? --[[User:Franken Kesey|Franken Kesey]] ([[User talk:Franken Kesey|talk]]) 15:24, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
  
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There certainly must be a good place for articles on derivative works and the influence of D&D, given how much is based on D&D. Would you please point me somewhere appropriate? [[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 22:40, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
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== Rating Extension Tweak ==
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A bit ago I asked if you could modify the ratings extension to update category/semantic tables or just "open"->"save" the associated article page without making any changes, and now I have an example of why I want that changed. [[Dark Sun Rising (3.5e Spell)]] just got commopp'd, and according to the article page it is in the Community Opposed category and also has the Rating property set to "Rated 0 / 4". If you go to the comm opp category, you will not see the page. If you do a semantic search for Rated 0 / 4, you will not see the article listed. If the article gets edited and saved it will show up in those places, but that doesn't happen all the time. These make it really really hard to track down things that should be removed per policy, hence my original request.
  
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:Blatant abuse of admin authority was '''my''' reason for deleting it. It's kind of a joke around these parts. We are not dnd.wikia, though dnd.wikia has merged into us. This, however, is a wiki about homebrew, canon, and publishing information. If you can find an appropriate place to place an article about Nethack you are welcome to create it. However, I was a bit soured when I saw the same article on any number of wikis, all being updated with the same link. Copypasta isn't the kind of thing we're looking for here, and if there's to be an article on Nethack it needs to be more about how it fits into the overall context of the game and less an advertisement. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 22:45, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
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If you don't want to look into the table thing, could you just do the article save thing instead? Since the extension is already opening and saving the talk page, adding a call to open and save the article page without changes right after seems like an easy thing to bolt on. Assuming it works, and I don't see why it wouldn't, it would make tracking these things a lot easier. - [[User:Tarkisflux|Tarkisflux]] <sup>[[User talk:Tarkisflux|Talk]]</sup>  03:45, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
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::Copy-paste, Advertisement: ok.
 
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::"Find an appropriate place" is exactly my question. For example, would an article at [[Canon:Nethack]]/[[Canon:Roguelike]] be ok if it explores the similarities between Nethack/Roguelikes and D&D, and then adds a link to Nethack (which is closest AFAIK)? [[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 05:54, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 
  
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:::That sounds fine to me. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 02:45, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
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:Sorry I haven't looked at this. I'll take a look as soon as I can. We are running somewhat older versions of the software at the moment -- I wonder if an upgrade would fix this problem. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 04:55, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
  
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::::I could add in a section on Ancient Domains of Mystery, Nethack's more serious (for better or worse) cousin.  Dr. Biskup is an avid Pen-and-Pencil RPG player, and ADOM shows heavy DnD influence. Similar to Nethack, there has been a lot of evolution and things added that aren't in ADnD, etc., and strangely enough, a few things that pre-empted 3rd edition (talents->feats, etc.).  But yeah, I could put something together, or contact... someone who could do it better?  Not convinced that this is the right place for this all. -- [[User:Aelaris|Aelaris]] 16:24, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
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::Going to guess it's a result of the stuff being added using the author template. The trouble with null saving programmatically has always been the race conditions that come with it; I'll see if there's a better way to refresh the pages. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 05:02, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
  
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:::I think I found a way to do this. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 17:17, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
  
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HTML5 has client side validation.  One way of having it work is to use the attribute 'pattern=REGEX'.  Perchance can it be made a parameter for the inputbox code to build into this.  That way we can make it so that users cannot make the page named 'Somename' when 'Somename (3.5e Blah)' is preferred. If it is non-trivial to fix, this doesn't have to be done, but if it is, I can go about making the inputboxes stricter. Would hopefully lower the amount of page moves needed. --[[User:Havvy|Havvy]] 03:30, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
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== And we're back... ==
  
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:Client side validation is already possible, even with regular expressions, using javascript. It might or might not be trivial, I haven't examined the extension's source code. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 03:38, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
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How's the wiki?  Spammerbane was getting a workout there, but I believe I have CLEAVED AND SMOTE EVIL them all. What a strange thing, were our defenses down for a moment? -- [[User:Eiji-kun|Eiji-kun]] ([[User talk:Eiji-kun|talk]]) 03:36, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
  
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::The point is that with HTML5, it doesn't hurt those who don't have browsers that don't understand it while it provides a simple (hard to get wrong) validation step. --[[User:Havvy|Havvy]] 09:03, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
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:Yeah I was upgrading and turned Asirra off for a second...WTF man, how often are spammers pinging us? It was just like 2 minutes. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 03:41, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
  
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==recent speedy delete requests==
 
  
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Yes, I do realise that I could just blank then put new stuff. But the page history would still keep it. Simply the creator of some of the quotes did not want their stuff here. And would like to delete any and all traces of their work.
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== Edits Disabled ==
  
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:That's cool, no problem. I can hide individual revisions, but it'd probably be difficult to find a single revision that had the quote. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 03:14, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
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So I seem to be unable to make edits to pages (curiously though I can edit Talk pages just fine). Also curiously I can post new pages just fine, but god help me if I try to edit after.  The error message varies slightly, but the typical message is ''Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in /var/www/w/includes/parser/Preprocessor_DOM.php on line 1073''. Any ideas? -- [[User:Eiji-kun|Eiji-kun]] ([[User talk:Eiji-kun|talk]]) 02:33, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
  
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== Bot Edit ==
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:Can you edit them while logged out? I'll try upgrading a couple extensions that might be causing trouble and see if it changes anything. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 02:53, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
  
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::I'll be on chat for a bit, let's try to fix this bug. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 02:57, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
  
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I know, I ask too much of you...but you have Eclipse and bot editing...could you go through races, classes, monsters, and templates looking for the following text:
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:::Not mibbit chat, but I can get on AIM via my phone. Moment. -- [[User:Eiji-kun|Eiji-kun]] ([[User talk:Eiji-kun|talk]]) 03:02, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
  
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::::Don't worry about it. I've reproduced and will keep testing on this end. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 03:03, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
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== Slow Loading ==
  
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Thanks. --[[User:Havvy|Havvy]] 08:19, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
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The wiki has been loading pages slowly for about a day now (30 seconds to a minute to load a page). Got any ideas on why this might be? --[[User:Ganteka Future|Ganteka Future]] ([[User talk:Ganteka Future|talk]]) 22:00, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
  
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:Looks like I'll need to reinstate my "restart everything at regular intervals" script. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 03:18, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
  
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Can you change all instances of <nowiki>{{3.5e Optimized Character Builds Breadcrumb}}</nowiki> to <nowiki>{{3.5e Character Optimization Breadcrumb}}</nowiki> for pages that have the categories of "''Optimized Character Build''" OR "''Character Optimization Guide''"?
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::And we'll go back to looking for which page is breaking everything again. Maybe I should just convert all of the nav pages to shorter formats with "further results" links already... - [[User:Tarkisflux|Tarkisflux]] <sup>[[User talk:Tarkisflux|Talk]]</sup> 04:03, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
  
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:::I'd be surprised if it was any particular page this time...the process happened so slowly it could just as easily be a bug in lighttpd or whatnot. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 05:18, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
  
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Could you move pics that have sourced fair use etc from old wiki to this one? Thanks. --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] 02:31, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
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== Ping ==
  
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Hey Surgo, the User Navbox JS stuff is ready: [[Talk:Main_Page#Please_take_NavBoxes_out_of_articles._.28Just_in_case.2C_this_is_NOT_an_April.27s_Fool.29]]. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] ([[User talk:Aarnott|talk]]) 15:10, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
  
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:Hey, I'll add this in and test it when I get back from travelling on Thursday. You can do it yourself if you want though, as an admin I believe you have access to MediaWiki:Common.js. I only don't want to do it now because I want to be able to test it a bit :/ Feel free to splice it in before I get home if you have access, otherwise I'll do it as I can test it. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 07:05, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
  
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My sourcebook has been receiving many unwanted changes by IP addresses. I was wondering if said pages could be protected so that only logged in people could edit it (or more preferably only me and [[User:AShadowofLife|AShadowofLife]], but I don't know if that is possible), along with all subpages.
 
  
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The article in question is [[Bleach_D20_(3.5e_Sourcebook)|here]].
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== Phoenix Knight==
  
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:We protected one page already for this reason, no reason we can't do the rest as well. They'll be protected against IP edits. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 15:26, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
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The class you requested is about 50% done now. Just updating so you know im still working on it. --[[User:Leziad|Leziad]] ([[User talk:Leziad|talk]]) 05:00, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
  
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::Does protecting one page also protect all of it's subpages? {{Unsigned|The Dire Reverend}}
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:Thank you! :-D [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 15:44, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
  
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:::I don't think so. There's a ton of pages though, and I'm watching pretty closely now -- I'll protect any that get spammed. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 03:22, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
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== Comm Opp / Fav Category and Ratings Code ==
  
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::::I have reverted two edits on the sub pages, apparently they are not protected. Would you be so kind as to block each sub page? Also Does this happen to a lot of other articles, or is there a mystery Bleach hater in our midst?[[User:The Dire Reverend|The Dire Reverend]] 03:23, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
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Did you ever update the "add ratings" code so that it re-saved the article page that we talked about. You figured out an alternative to my proposed open / save without changes plan to update the tables, but I don't know what it was. I ask because I'm not seeing the newly opposed articles in the Community Opposed category (it shows on the article, but the article isn't listed in the category page), and I don't want them to get lost or missed in general. - [[User:Tarkisflux|Tarkisflux]] <sup>[[User talk:Tarkisflux|Talk]]</sup>  16:42, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
  
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:::::I'll block the subpages. I think it's an AI system that just likes the anime bleach. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 03:52, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
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:Oh man I don't think I did. Urgh, I don't even remember what the alternative was now. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 17:12, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
  
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== Asirra Issue ==
  
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Did the config file limit for query results (from [[Talk:3.5e_Feats#Overflow|this discussion]]) get raised over here? - [[User:Tarkisflux|Tarkisflux]] 01:06, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
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Im sorry diden't know were to go with this but for my comming uploading to this wiki i have a few homemade Diseases and don't know were to put them... By the way top job on this briliant wiki.[[User:Wildmage|Born to Be Wild]] 00:47, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
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--[[User:Havvy|Havvy]] ([[User talk:Havvy|talk]]) 00:03, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
  
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: I would place them in (3.5e Other) if you don't know where they go.  As far as diseases, paleowiki had a spot for them, but we seemed to lose that spot.  I'd say (3.5e Equipment) or (3.5e Glossary) are the closest places we have for them, but neither seem to fit.  Place them in (3.5e Other) for now.  There doesn't even seem to be a template for diseases.  --[[User:Havvy|Havvy]] 07:01, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
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:Acknowledged. Will fix tonight and if I can't, disable it entirely until I can fix it. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 01:13, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
  
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::There isn't a template currently, but that just means you need to do your own formatting. When you make a new one, put it in the "3.5e", "User", and "Disease" categories and put (3.5e Disease) at the end of the page title. It will show up in the new disease table in [[3.5e Other]]. I plan on keeping diseases in other until we get a huge pile of them (and they're worth their own page) or someone comes up with a more fitting location for them. - [[User:Tarkisflux|Tarkisflux]] 03:04, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
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::Ah, fuck. Asirra shut down. Need to find a replacement. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 02:39, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
  
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::: gona put it there thx. [[User:Wildmage|Born to Be Wild]] 21:38, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
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:::I turned on recaptcha. People should at least be able to register now, but be aware that recaptcha is ''way fucking worse'' than Asirra ever was and we're probably going to get some spam. Unless I get some time that I don't have to improve the ConfirmEdit extension, I'm afraid we're in a bit of trouble. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 03:43, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
  
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::::If anyone's looking for a programming challenge btw, please patch the ConfirmEdit extension to implement some kind of exponential backoff. Shouldn't take more than a day, depending on your familiarity with PHP and the algorithm itself. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 03:44, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
  
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Sorry to bother you at this time, but I'm having a tough time with the new Wikia setup and my new content for my new RPG. Unfortunately, the new Wikia has made my content a little less than organized and I was wondering if I could merge some of my stuff to here. The new content that I have closely resembles (or at least matches) that of D&D 4e content.
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== Capcha stuff ==
  
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The only page that I have updated is this one, but I don't like how some of it is not neatly organized-- the table is screwed up, and I had to edit the d*** thing over and over just to get it neat to the best of my ability, but It doesn't seem to work... http://magichroniclesrpg.wikia.com/wiki/Human_Race
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Found places I could work in an exponential backoff, haven't done it. Also found [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmEdit#Patch_for_even_more_spam_protection this] that just disallows users with insufficient edits from posting outside links at all. It's probably easier to just do that one if spam becomes a problem. - [[User:Tarkisflux|Tarkisflux]] <sup>[[User talk:Tarkisflux|Talk]]</sup>  20:27, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
  
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If you could help me out, I would greatly appreciate it. If not, no worries.--[[User:Xeadin|Xeadin]] 21:03, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
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== Replace Text / Template Update Jobs ==
  
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== Paleowiki Formatting Articles ==
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I setup 2 replace text jobs last night, and neither has started yet. Did something break? - [[User:Tarkisflux|Tarkisflux]] <sup>[[User talk:Tarkisflux|Talk]]</sup>  20:10, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
  
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I noticed that you had a hand in creating http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Character_Class_Design_Guidelines_%28DnD_Guideline%29 and was wondering if we were allowed to move it to this wiki.  Now, you didn't create http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Help:Standards_and_Formatting_%28DnD_Guideline%29, but I was wondering if we were also allowed to take that?  Ultimately, they will have to be edited, and I'll have to move various parts of what I've added to [[Dungeons and Dragons Wiki:Formatting Conventions|Standards and Formatting]] to other pages, but as long as formatting conventions are written, might we copy it?  --[[User:Havvy|Havvy]] 09:17, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
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:Das bump. Still nothing showing for those replace jobs. - [[User:Tarkisflux|Tarkisflux]] <sup>[[User talk:Tarkisflux|Talk]]</sup>  16:30, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
  
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:We can't take either, they are both GFDL. I'm not sure I really ''want'' a "Character Class Design Guideline" on the site either. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 15:15, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
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::It's been 5 months, and those jobs never showed up (I forgot what they were even :-( ). Neither has the new one I triggered. And I actually want this functional so I can do work on redirects to remove some search barriers. Can you get this reinstalled or fixed or something please? - [[User:Tarkisflux|Tarkisflux]] <sup>[[User talk:Tarkisflux|Talk]]</sup>  03:25, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
  
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== Publications ==
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:::I've updated the extension. Does it work now? [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 07:52, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
  
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Why is it that there is a Feats section in the publications, and why are they commented out? --[[User:Havvy|Havvy]] 07:01, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
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:::: It's accepting jobs, but still not running them. Which is what it was doing before. Maybe an issue with the jobs queue? - [[User:Tarkisflux|Tarkisflux]] <sup>[[User talk:Tarkisflux|Talk]]</sup>  00:09, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
  
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:Indexing. There was, at one point, an attempt to index each book, but it looks like only the feats ever got indexed. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 01:34, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
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::::: Job queue investigation bump. - [[User:Tarkisflux|Tarkisflux]] <sup>[[User talk:Tarkisflux|Talk]]</sup>  21:23, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
  
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==Search working==
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:In case you're kind of around again, I wanted to bump this. The replace text plugin is still not behaving. The form fills out nicely and generates the appropriate items and submits properly... but the jobs are never run. It also looks like the template update jobs aren't running properly either, though that's harder to quantify.
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Thanks a lot for extending the search, I think this is really helpful.
 
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Can I still bother you with one more request: Could you perhaps also include the "DnDWiki"-namespace in the search, too? I know those articles might not be up to standard, but for me it will take a lot more time to adapt them all. And if they were found by the search function, other users might meanwhile find the articles, use them and possibly improve them faster. Thanks again. [[User:Daranios|Daranios]] 19:28, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
 
  
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== Your a Bureaucrat. ==
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:Anyway, If you're doing some work around here it would be nice if those were fixed too. There were some issues with jobs in Mediawiki 1.22 a couple of years ago (when I first noticed this broke), but as we're on 1.26 now it might be as simple as [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Rzcu6c1m41gsyykz updating some vars] that I don't have access to. - [[User:Tarkisflux|Tarkisflux]] <sup>[[User talk:Tarkisflux|Talk]]</sup>  17:55, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
  
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MAKE GHOST WHEEL AN ADMINISTRATOR!--[[User:Parakee|Parakee]] 23:38, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
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::Variables set. Job queue running. Looks like we've got a couple years of backlog. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 19:29, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
  
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:What is your relation to Ghostwheel? [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 23:44, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
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:::Should be done. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 19:30, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
  
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== Extension Suggestion ==
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== We're back! ==
  
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I suggest installing http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Replace_Text. {{unsigned|Havvy}}
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Surgo saves the day! -- [[User:Eiji-kun|Eiji-kun]] ([[User talk:Eiji-kun|talk]]) 02:14, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
  
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:Oh shit. Yes please :-D - [[User:Tarkisflux|Tarkisflux]] 16:20, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
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:Surgo saves the day again!  Seriously, thanks for the rapid turnout sir. I salute you! -- [[User:Eiji-kun|Eiji-kun]] ([[User talk:Eiji-kun|talk]]) 04:52, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
  
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== Overpowered classes on the wiki ==
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== Good news ==
  
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So, If I (and several GMs that have view it) believe a class is overpowered, would I be able to copy that class, and then make my own version of it on the wiki, provided that I mention the original creator and link to the original version? Would that be in bad taste?[[User:The Dire Reverend|The Dire Reverend]] 06:23, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
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I recreated my FE variant rule IN MY SANDBOX so you can praise me now (in evil voice:) or else the potato monster will come to your house while you are sleeping and eat you alive [[User:XX the memenist Xx|XX the memenist Xx]] ([[User talk:XX the memenist Xx|talk]]) 16:28, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
  
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:The answer to the first question is "yes, this material is all CC-BY-SA and you can take it and remix it as long as you give credit", and the answer to the second is "it depends". If you think it's overpowered for it's balance level, the best course of action would be to explain why you feel that way on it's talk page and try to get the article updated. Overpowered for it's balance level is actually bad here, and we want to fix that if that's the case. If you actually want the class at a different power level then you can make an alternate class feature package that deals with the changes (Ghostwheel has done a couple of those), assuming they are small enough to fit into an ACF reasonably. If there's too much for an ACF then you're more likely making a class inspired by the old one because you'll be changing a lot of things in it. At that point there's nothing really wrong with just making a class with a different name or even "Same Name, Dire Reverend Variant" if you wanted to, but a note about it being inspired by the original class would be nice along with the required citations for anything you actually do use in full. - [[User:Tarkisflux|Tarkisflux]] 07:08, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
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:Good. Keep doing that. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 17:48, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
  
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== Articles in need of rating ==
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==Password Reset Error==
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The [[Forum:Articles in Need of Ratings]] was deleted by you because of backlog, and I was wondering when/if it would be back.[[User:The Dire Reverend|The Dire Reverend]] 23:17, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
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Hey Surgo, it's my annual "change all the passwords" marathon and the wiki is giving me the following error when it tries to email me a temporary new password (after clicking "forgot password" in the login screen): ''"Error sending mail: Unknown error in PHP's mail() function."'' A brief google search made it seem unlikely to be something on my end, and I don't know PHP from PHB, so I'm alerting you to the issue. - [[User:Spanambula|Spanambula]] ([[User talk:Spanambula|talk]]) 19:10, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
  
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== The NPC Trainwreck ==
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:Definitely something on our end. Taking a look when I get home. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 21:46, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
  
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On advisement by Guntank I'm told I should share this with you. As you can see, I did a number on the NPC Preload and made it, well, actually functional.  It's still not great though, and one of the big issues is of course the spells. The current preload has list after list for divine epic spells, arcane epic spells, epic powers, etc. but when it gets to normal spells and powers people use, it's this bizaare sub-template which requires a Master's degree to figure out what they're saying.  I understand you'll be eventually doing some kind of merging hooha with the NPCs and something else, so hopefully this helps:
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::Email should work now. A system upgrade moved the location of the program that sends the emails. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 04:43, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
  
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*|abletype1, 2, 3=What kind of special ability is it? Sorcerer casting? Swordsage maneuvers?  Spell-like abilities? Whatever, you define it.
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==Surgo Contact Request==
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*|ableopt=For caster level, manifester level, arcane spell failure, whatever
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Good day Surgo, Larry Vela here, the owner of BoLS Interactive. www.bolsinteractive.com. I am trying to get in contact with the owner of the site to discuss a business proposal.  Can you please contact me at contact@bolsinteractive.com at your convenience. I have attempted to contact the site owner previously with no success.
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*|ableDC=13 + spell level, whatever
 
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*|ableknow0-9=''[[magic missile]]'' or Wolf Fang Fist or whatever.  Either you know it or its in your spellbook.
 
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*|ablespont=3/day, at will, or whatever, for spontaneous casters
 
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*|ableprep0-9=For prepared casters or maneuvers needing, your usual preperation. ''magic missile'' x2, ''grease'', ''color spray''
 
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*|ablestance=For stances, since their the black sheep.
 
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*|epicknow=What epic spells you know
 
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*|epicspont=Since they only come in that form, how many epic spells per day.
 
  
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This. This right here should cover everything, from maneuvers to powers to spells arcane, divine, whatever.  And much, much shorter and cleaner and more understandable than the current mess.
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:I sent a message. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 21:15, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
  
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Naturally I have no idea how to go about implementing this... got anything? -- [[User:Eiji-kun|Eiji-kun]] 05:00, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
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== File uploads ==
  
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== Insert Box Additions ==
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Noticed while uploading an image that the stated maximum filesize is 2MB, but Nginx seems to throw a 413 Payload Too Large for anything over 1Mb. Probably some configs not quite lining up? --[[User:DanielDraco|DanielDraco]] ([[User talk:DanielDraco|talk]]) 00:50, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
  
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I've been using the Registered symbol quite frequently on the product blurbs of publications.  Can you add that and the trademark symbol to the list of Symbols on the Insert-box for editing pages?  Thanks in advanced. --[[User:Havvy|Havvy]] 00:07, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
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== SRD5 Namespace Search ==
  
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:Can you paste the exact registered symbol for me here? I'll add it then. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 21:01, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
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Had a request to add SRD5 to the [https://dnd-wiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&profile=advanced advanced search page], which I can't do so I'm forwarding to you. Should probably also add it as a default NS for search from the upper right box. Thanks. - [[User:Tarkisflux|Tarkisflux]] <sup>[[User talk:Tarkisflux|Talk]]</sup>  17:52, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
  
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== April Fools..? ==
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:This is complicated. SRD5 was never created as a namespace by me. I'll see what I can do. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 04:13, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
  
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I nearly died of a panic attack. You sneaky bastard :) --[[User:For Valor|For Valor]] 21:30, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
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::Done. Some old garbo from Semantic Forms (which we haven't used for years) got moved to the mainspace in the process. If you encounter it, just delete it. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 04:51, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
  
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== UA Namespace ==
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:::'''Thanks!''' The SRD5 namespace search will make it much easier for me when tidying up in the 5e/SRD5 articles.--[[User:Rlyehable|Rlyehable]] ([[User talk:Rlyehable|talk]]) 14:42, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
  
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This namespace is finally clear. Everything has been moved into the Publication ns as a subpage of Pub:UA, all of the links have been updated through replace text, and the redirects left in UA have been nuked. If you'd be so kind as to remove that namespace, I'd appreciate it :-D - [[User:Tarkisflux|Tarkisflux]] 00:24, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
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== Strange Activity ==
  
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== Persistent Spell (3.5e Feat) ==
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Who is User:Bigred, and why were they apparently promoted? -- [[User:Eiji-kun|Eiji-kun]] ([[User talk:Eiji-kun|talk]]) 03:27, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
  
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I was wondering if you could make edit it to be a bit more in line with the other spellcasting feats. The point that is most out of line is 1 rst level spells, and the 3rd level spell part is a bit weird too (why int mod?).
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:It's intentional. I'll give more details soon. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 04:45, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
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*lvl1: You may extend up to your casting stat modifier in spells per day. When you have extended a number of spells equal to your casting stat modifier.
 
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*lvl3: You may choose to [[SRD:Extend Spell|Extend]] your spells. These spells must not be of a level higher than the maximum you can cast -2.  - [[User:Sergejsvk|Sergejsvk]] 14:01, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
 
  
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== CAPCHA Please ==
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::Coo'.  Just wanted to rule out name hijacking or something. -- [[User:Eiji-kun|Eiji-kun]] ([[User talk:Eiji-kun|talk]]) 05:37, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
  
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As much as I hate it, I rather we have CAPCHA than deal with the spam.  I say this only because of a troubling new development.... ones that don't log in with names, just work as IP addresses, and have learned to edit pre-existing pages.  Including, ironically, this very page.  I reverted it quickly but I rather not wake up and find have my stuff has been turned into gibberish.  A quick look up says this is a "comment spammer" but this is not my forte.  Anyway, consider this a vote in favor of CAPCHA.  I understand they considered it, but have not placed it in effect because of fear it would scare unregistered editors away.
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:::Is it Santa, coming to give us prezzies? --[[User:Sulacu|Sulacu]] ([[User talk:Sulacu|talk]]) 06:52, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
  
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I dunno about you, but if recent changes shows anything most editors seem to be registered.  Am I wrong? -- [[User:Eiji-kun|Eiji-kun]] 09:29, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
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== Best Wishes in the Future ==
  
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: Recent change filled with spam will also scare a few unregistered editor... probably more.--[[User:Leziad|Leziad]] 09:32, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
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I am sorry to hear of your lessening impact on the site. But I am glad that you have the opportunity to follow your happiness. I wish you all the best. With respect --[[User:Rlyehable|Rlyehable]] ([[User talk:Rlyehable|talk]]) 00:22, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
  
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::Just updating, even though I know you haven't gotten here yet.  The spambots are pretty intense, I've had like 20 in the last 4 hours, no joke.  They're deleting pages and everything and frankly, I will have to sleep eventually.  Hopefully daytime admins will appear soon, or better, you.  (EDIT: Due to the sheer number of edits, I'm temporarily protecting some of the pages, namely the SRD ones.  They aren't homebrew so they don't get edit'd often.) -- [[User:Eiji-kun|Eiji-kun]] 12:07, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
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:No, thank '''you''' for the 5e SRD work! [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 00:22, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
  
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:::As someone who updates infrequently but still loves the site, I wouldn't be put off by any captcha stuff. I am just sayin'. -- [[User:Spanambula|Spanambula]] 17:00, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
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== Seven years of Smooth Sailing ==
  
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::::I got a call from Ganteka at lunch time. As soon as I got back I put on a CAPTCHA for all non-email-confirmed edits. It's pretty basic right now and will probably get broken soon, I'll install some better stuff ASAP. If you need email confirmation, I can do it manually if the email doesn't work. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 18:06, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
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Thanks for all the effort in keeping this boat afloat. Don't be a stranger, now.
  
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:::::Is the equation thing the captcha?[[User:The Dire Reverend|The Dire Reverend]] 22:38, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
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Much love. And stay away from buses. --[[User:Sulacu|Sulacu]] ([[User talk:Sulacu|talk]]) 08:36, 7 December 2016 (MST)
  
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::::::Yeah, though that is expected to be upgraded shortly(ish). If you're currently getting that you should go into your preferences and get an email address confirmation sent to you. Or an admin can manually clear you if there's an issue with the email. - [[User:Tarkisflux|Tarkisflux]] 00:57, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
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== Thanks ==
  
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== Whoopie, no rights ==
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I noticed you moved my maneuver, and given its nature, I was worried it was probably jut too OP, but I guess my drowsiness resulted in the oversight of actually listing it as a maneuver and giving it the proper breadcrumb. Thanks for doing that for me with no other questions asked. You're a saint, my dude. -[[User:SecondDeath777|SecondDeath777]] 16:47, 28 October 2017
  
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So I was looking around on how do I manually confirm someone's email, and I found Special:UserRights, but ironically I don't have permission to muck about it.  Whoops.  Am I looking at the wrong page, or is there some other way I'm supposed to be going about?
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==Unwanted IP Edits on a Page==
  
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User that needs confirming is The Dire Reverend by the by. -- [[User:Eiji-kun|Eiji-kun]] 19:25, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
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Good to see you are still kicking. The behavior referenced in the header has been going on for a couple of weeks now on the [[Yuan-ti (3.5e Race)|Yuan-ti (3.5e Race)]] page, as a quick glance at the version history will demonstrate. I would like to request an edit lock to prevent this from happening in the future, as the edits from the IP are to negate most of my work and instead add +2 to three stats and 40 ft base speed for no justifiable reason. Let me know if you need any action on my end to help this along. - [[User:ThunderGod Cid|TG Cid]] ([[User talk:ThunderGod Cid|talk]]) 04:43, 24 April 2018 (MDT)
  
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:That's the right page Eiji. It's just a bureaucrat only thing (which Surgo and I forgot about apparently when we were talking about the sitenotice). :-(
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==Blocked Notice==
  
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:The Dire Reverend looks like he's set already, but I'll flag him anyway just to be sure. - [[User:Tarkisflux|Tarkisflux]] 20:46, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
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I completely rewrote the [[Evolutionist (3.5e Racial Paragon Class)]].--Franken Kesey 10:09, 2 April 2019 (MDT)
  
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== Green Dragon just relented ==
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:{{BlockNotice|DPR (3.5e Guide)}}--Franken Kesey 12:05, 8 May 2019 (MDT)
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So, Jota posts on his Economist Talk Page. Green Dragon blocks Jota for 'spamming links to external site'. As near as I can make out, an IP-lurker was moved to act on this. They undid Green Dragon's revert. Green Dragon undid that. ANOTHER IP reverted Green Dragon. Badger, one of the admins, altered Jota's reply and said 'We can agree this is a happy medium'. Same IP changed that with a summary of "No, I think we can't" and then added an edit calling out Green Dragon for blocking Jota for something Jota did not do. The result was, Green Dragon unblocked Jota, blocked the IPs for 'edit-warring' and then JazzMan and Badger both called out Green Dragon for blocking people 'spamming links to external sites' when it's only one site. It seems Green Dragon is now allowing mention to the other wiki. And links, if they're on user pages. If you want the details, check out the Economist Talk page history and Green Dragon's talk page. --Genowhirl 17:20, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
 
  
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:Oops, spoke too soon. It appears Green Dragon still has the idea he can shut this place down with a court case. --Genowhirl 17:59, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
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::These blocks have been inappropriate and outside the scope of what is allowed for blocks, which require '''substantial''' revision. Blocks have been undone because they do not qualify. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 15:31, 8 May 2019 (MDT)
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:::Your rating of [[Biological Reconstruction (3.5e Power)]] no longer refers to the current power. Please rerate.--Franken Kesey 18:12, 1 July 2019 (MDT)
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==Racism, etc.==
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This page is racist [[User:Cedric/typecasting]], this page is homophobic [[User:Cedric/Færy]], this page is transphobic [[User:Cedric/Feywild]], and this page is sexist and idiotic [[User:Cedric/sex]]. By keeping these articles on the wiki, they are being endorsed. This is a D&D wiki, not a nazi wiki. This wiki should not be associated with white supremacy!--Franken Kesey 04:42, 3 April 2019 (MDT)
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:You need to look at the recent changes on the typecasting page. Direct quote from Cedric: "Would you put a white player in a "black" role or a nazi in the role of a jew and expect it to turn out well?" All the above pages need to be removed.--Franken Kesey 14:33, 8 April 2019 (MDT)
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::In my opinion there's nothing on the Faery page to indicate homophobia, but otherwise I agree with Kesey's analysis of those other pages being problematic and potentially offensive. [[User:Geodude671|Geodude671]] ([[User talk:Geodude671|talk]]) 18:23, 8 April 2019 (MDT)
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:::Fairy quotes: "They are the only race which does not specialize into a class. They do not have an infant stage, depending on how they are created. They only(?) age if they believe in it or they don't find an adult partner committed to them to be their sponsor-protector."
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:::"Faery mates don't have babies as normal, they're somewhat neuter anyway, and instead they must wish for it and wait to find the child inside a flower before bloom. Faeries know where to find gemstones scattered in the realm, if they're not buried deep into mountains. Getting that information out of them, however, is a whole other encounter. Trickery is generally required."
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:::Outside of the "fairy" name, which is problematic, it implies that being gay is inferior to all other races throughout the text.--Franken Kesey 18:42, 8 April 2019 (MDT)
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::::I'm not super familiar with the folklore surrounding fairies, but from what I do know, those quotes seem pretty in line with a reasonable portrayal of that race. Cedric did say that the page was explicitly ''for'' gay players, but I'm arguing that there's nothing on that page itself that would indicate that. I understand why you interpreted the quotes you presented the way you did; I just disagree that that is the only possible interpretation of those quotes. [[User:Geodude671|Geodude671]] ([[User talk:Geodude671|talk]]) 19:43, 8 April 2019 (MDT)
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:::::Just found a lower case aryan page that slipped past us which is found here: [[User:Cedric/aryan]]. Also his african race link and some stats can still be found here: [[User:Cedric/Races]].--Franken Kesey 11:02, 9 April 2019 (MDT)
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::::::It has been well over the week you granted to Cedric, and his stuff is still here.--Franken Kesey 09:21, 25 April 2019 (MDT)
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{{ri}}
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Acknowledge that the user is banned (for racism and trans-phobia), and all his stuff is sandboxed. But why even keep this material. It is not as if he created anything which is usable. A simple warning of: "This is a D&D wiki, not a racist wiki. Go elsewhere if you wish to spread white supremacy propaganda." would do. What possible benefit is there on keeping this here? There is not good reason to keep all the links to his Aryan, Arab, etc. articles.--Franken Kesey 10:45, 29 April 2019 (MDT)
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: All of his stuff has already been deleted, we only keep the user page and talk page around for more or less archival purposes. It all dead links and literally nobody but you even care a little at this point. Please, stop harassing the admins over a banned user. Just let it go. --[[User:Leziad|Leziad]] ([[User talk:Leziad|talk]]) 11:33, 29 April 2019 (MDT)
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==Review/Rating Request==
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I have made a lot of new stuff this last month, but have mostly focused on perfecting a few key articles. Thus would like your perspective of the following articles: [[Wildknife (3.5e Class)]], [[Judge of Existence (3.5e Class)]] and [[Biological Reconstruction (3.5e Power)]]. Thank you.--Franken Kesey 13:00, 14 April 2019 (MDT)
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==Image Spam Filter==
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Several users are having problems doing the right thing and adding links to uploaded images. Per guidelines the source of an image must be mentioned (unless you are the author), otherwise there is a potential for copyright infringement. There arises two solutions to this: 1) removing the "https:www." from the spam filters, or 2) alerting users to remove that part of the link when sourcing whenever an error message comes up (i.e., adding to message when the site refuses it). Either option works, but inaction is not a good option, for it can lead to users deciding to not source their images -- which make the site vulnerable and is difficult to correct later.--Franken Kesey 18:54, 25 April 2019 (MDT)
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:Just gonna have to leave out the http colon slash slash www. There's no good solution for this problem. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 14:16, 28 April 2019 (MDT)
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::That would be option two, could you add those instructions in the error message that comes up. I personally know to remove this part of the address (from trial and error). However, I have witnessed even admins not knowing to remove it (and deciding to leave it un-sourced). Thus an instructional message would help.--Franken Kesey 14:46, 28 April 2019 (MDT)
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==Fox For Admin==
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Due to his continuous high quality of articles across multiple categories and editions. Plus how astute his incite is in the realm of D&D, and how helpful he has been to other users in creating a vibrant site. Submitting Foxwarrior’s name for your consideration to be promoted to an admin. He would help grow the ranks of leadership which have been dwindling, and aid in the mountain of admin responsibilities.--Franken Kesey 13:35, 28 April 2019 (MDT)
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==Class Ability Types==
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Homebrew monsters and races can be searched based on type and subtype within the SRD section of the site. This is extremely helpful in finding particular kinds of creatures. Likewise, homebrew spells and powers could be broken down into schools and disciplines which could be found within the normal school/discipline pages. This would be easy to implicate.--Franken Kesey 18:47, 3 May 2019 (MDT)
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==Heads Up==
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You just blocked Ganteka Future's IP address. Thought you should know.--Franken Kesey 08:16, 6 May 2019 (MDT)
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:No I didn't. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 08:41, 6 May 2019 (MDT)
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::Do not want to broadcast how I know or where it is. First because it is personal info, and second because the noted author is awesome! Further, do not really care if you do or do not block an IP address. Just giving you info.
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:::Ganteka just made a new article the other day, so if I banned him I sure did a poor job of it. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 11:45, 6 May 2019 (MDT)
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::::Again, not my fight. You blocked his home IP and reverted some of his edits. He can still edit by logging in as normal. This will only affect his ability to edit in the future from home. Doubt it, ask him what pages he edited recently. He is a very good author.--Franken Kesey 17:44, 6 May 2019 (MDT)
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:::::I haven't blocked anyone in almost a month, so I have no idea what you are talking about. Furthermore, Ganteka has my phone number. If he is blocked, he can text me about it. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 17:48, 6 May 2019 (MDT)
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::::::Boo. --[[User:Ganteka Future|Ganteka Future]] ([[User talk:Ganteka Future|talk]]) 18:04, 6 May 2019 (MDT)
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This is in reference to the [[3.5e Psionic Powers|Psionic Homebrew]] page. Added missing Psion Discipline pages. This groups all homebrew of the discipline in one place (instead of having to scroll through a massive list. However, the Psion Discipline lists are mixed with psychic warrior and psion/wilder lists. Would like to separate disciplines from the larger lists (into a new column), do you approve of this? --Franken Kesey 18:25, 12 May 2019 (MDT)
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:Same question, different day.--Franken Kesey 11:01, 21 May 2019 (MDT)
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::Thank you for adding. Will save significant time in the future.--Franken Kesey 17:21, 29 May 2019 (MDT)
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The [[Dungeons_and_Dragons_Wiki:Rating_Articles#Community Opposed|Community Opposed]] guidelines state: "If an article has this status for one week, it may be moved to a sandbox of the author's user page without further notice." Taging articles with a template helps people find community opposed more quickly. In the past some articles have fallen through the cracks, and been community opposed for years. But if winter cleaning is not the right template, what is? Incomplete and delete seam inappropriate, is there a better one?--Franken Kesey 11:01, 21 May 2019 (MDT)
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: There is no appropriate template. It is already easy to search for community opposed articles, a template to collect them is not necessary. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 11:04, 21 May 2019 (MDT)
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At what point does an adopted article become a co-authorship? If the original theme is similar to original, but the mechanics drastically fixed is it more a collaboration?--Franken Kesey 12:51, 7 June 2019 (MDT)
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:Do you have an example? [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 13:09, 7 June 2019 (MDT)
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::[[Pantheren_(3.5e_Race)]], check edit history from 26 January 2011‎ to 7 June 2019‎.
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:::Adopters don't become co-authors; co-authors are when two separate people collaborate to create something. Adopters are...when something is adopted. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 13:21, 7 June 2019 (MDT)
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I seem to have forgotten my password, but whenever I try to reset it, I never get the email with the link to do so.  I created a second account just so I could get in to report the issue and there seems to be an additional error where the system can't confirm email addresses.  My original account is Halloweenman33.  [[User:Halloweenman33.5|Halloweenman33.5]] 13:00, 2 March 2021 (CST)
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Respond to my questions on the Same Game Test. I'm not going to tell you again.
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I was reviewing my old modules and the list on the Wiki and noticed that S1 and S2 are missing.  I have them in my possession and would be happy to add them to the Wiki, but don't know how to update the table.  Is that something I can do with my existing preferences?  Thanks for your time.
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:Yeah I can show you how to do that -- what page is it exactly? I'm having trouble finding it. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 02:49, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
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:::Ah, I see. Thanks. It would be super helpful for you to add them! How this works is not immediately obvious, but it's pretty simple. Just create a page like [[Publication:Oasis of the White_Palm]]. you can copy and paste that page into the new page for S1 and S2 (I'm not sure what those are called), and edit the text in the page as appropriate. Once you save the page, in a couple hours the table will automatically update itself. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 01:51, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

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Yay Captcha![edit]

Good to see our shields are up again. Course, it would be ideal if we didn't need them, but you know those crazy spammers. I'll keep a look-out for any bypasses. -- Eiji-kun 06:53, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Boo Capchas[edit]

Well, not boo in that we have them, but boo in that they are giving us a PHP error: 

Fatal error: Call to undefined function curl_init() in /var/www/w/extensions/Asirra/Asirra.class.php on line 78"

This is blocking reddir from saving pages from what he said in IRC. --Havvy 13:28, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Error has been fixed, but the CAPTCHA has been turned off. And uh, shit, this has probably prevented anyone from registering on the site since we moved servers. Surgo 16:37, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
I never saw a CAPTCHA offered, even when I tried to make an edit after logging out. Its not normally a problem for me. Be Well 13:44, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
CAPTCHA reenabled. Problem with curl should be fixed. Surgo 14:10, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
Testing...Yay! I can still post. Be Well 15:15, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Lizardfolk Paragon is now CommFave[edit]

Enjoy and all that. Put it in the rotation and all that. - MisterSinister 08:36, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Ratings Update[edit]

Following the recent wiki vote on ratings granularity and display, all old ratings can be updated to make use of "love / like / neutral / dislike / hate" instead of the old values. If you would like to update your ratings, you can find a list of them at Category:Legacy Rating Surgo. When you update a rating, be sure to delete the "|OldRating=True" part. - Tarkisflux Talk 17:54, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

AddRating Stuffs[edit]

Can you update the ip error text so that it contains an intended line break at a nice place instead of breaking at its current weird place?

Can you trigger the ip error before they have a chance to write (and then lose) their review? If not, can you display their review for them to copy before they log in so they can then paste it back in? - Tarkisflux Talk 02:51, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

I can't do this tonight. For the second paragraph, the former is not possible. The later may be possible. This could take some time though. Surgo 03:05, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
I'd actually like to do the latter as part of a "rewrite your rating if it exists" thing. Surgo 03:21, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
That's fine. Just tested as an ip, saw weirdness, didn't want to forget it. - Tarkisflux Talk 04:57, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Ninja Surprise![edit]

By the by... I made my attempt. So far results have been positive. -- Eiji-kun 17:06, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll check it out when I have some free time at work or get home. Surgo 17:10, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Chat Game[edit]

We can do it today if you are up for it. --Leziad 23:48, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Another one tonight if you are available. --Leziad 00:33, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

So, I tried the whole Lisp thing...[edit]

Yeah, I decided I'd actually try it, and I'm not having much luck. I'm using Lispbox (i.e. emacs), and I was just trying to write some simple functions, and the results were... rather weird. Specifically, I wrote this:

(defun square (x) (* x x))

And the REPL seemed fine with it. Then, I tried this:

(square (2))

And what I got was this:

Car of (2) is not a function name or lambda-expression. 

  [Condition of type CCL::SIMPLE-PROGRAM-ERROR]

[Restart options go here]

Backtrace: 

 0: (CCL::CHEAP-EVAL-IN-ENVIRONMENT (SQUARE (2)) NIL)
 1: (CCL::CHEAP-EVAL (SQUARE (2)))

I am... completely confused as to why this is happening, and I had nobody else to ask. I would appreciate any help immensely, because I very much would like to like Lisp (and be able to use it). - MisterSinister (talk) 08:33, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

You wanted to write (square 2), not (square (2)). Function calling goes (function arg1 arg2...), and if you put anything inside parenthesis (this isn't exactly what happens, but is enough for the purposes of this discussion) it tries to evaluate it as if its a function. So (square (2)) is trying to evaluate a function "2", as if you had just typed (2). This function doesn't exist, so it errors out. Much more specific explanation (which you may or may not understand) in the paragraphs below.
What actually happens in the evaluation (or a reasonably close approximation of what happens) is that when the interpreter sees a () list, it takes the "car" (the first element) of the list and tries to evaluate it. This can be either a function, a macro, or a special form (some things like if, or lambda). If it's none of the above, it doesn't know what to do so it has to bail out. So take (square (2)). It goes from left to right...okay we see (square, and square is a function, so evaluate it. Now we have (2, try to evaluate it...error! (It doesn't go from inner to outer because of macros, which you'll learn about later.)
You might wonder -- why the hell does (defun) not work that way? That's because defun is a macro -- a macro is a construct that is like a function, but is evaluated at compile time (instead of run time) and does not interpret its arguments when called. So the macro gets (x) (* x x) as its arguments -- not the results of evaluating (x) and (* x x).
Hope that helps. Surgo (talk) 13:05, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
Thanks - that actually makes sense. - MisterSinister (talk) 19:10, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Comm Faves[edit]

Turns out your Tome Ninja is a Comm Fave, but it doesn't have a blurb and isn't in the front page rotation. Here's a link to the blurb preload loader if you wanted to fix that: linky. The Tome Monk needs one too, if you wanted to write up two while you were at it. - Tarkisflux Talk 20:49, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

I think what we really need are images. Could anyone help with that? Surgo (talk) 17:19, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Editing Tyranny Domain[edit]

There need to be some additions and changes to Tyranny Domain. The list of compulsion type spells associated with Tyranny are incomplete. The list of total deities that align with the Tyranny Domain are incomplete. The WotC database has other different material, but they aren't open to public edits. As it stands, these are just minor edits based on the actual domain features, and the full list of spells. It's not an earth shattering edit really? At least it doesn't seem so.

Can I just add the missing date (it's taken me hours of research to complete this) without a rollback please?

I'm not Surgo but I can answer for him (because I would have done the same thing). The domain you edited is a homebrew replacement and not intended to be a reprint of the WotC one (which I'm pretty sure is not OGL, and so not content we are allowed to host). The reason the edits you made got reverted is that they were substantial changes to a contributor's work that is associated with their name, and is not the vision they had for the work. I can add a note to the top to indicate that it's supposed to be a replacement, since it wasn't clear otherwise, but that's about as far as we can go with it. Letting you make the changes you'd like to wouldn't correct it, since it was never intended to reflect the WotC original. - Tarkisflux Talk 16:25, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Gotcha. I missed that it was homebrew. I'll just find add another.

Chronicles of Astinus[edit]

Hello! I had some time today and have now imported the articles from Chronicles of Astinus into the DnDWiki namespace. I thought it would not be too much trouble to go ahead and do this manually, but it was quite some more than I expected. Inbetween I messed up the main page (I still do not know, why the import did not change any pages which names already did exist, like Caramon Majere, but seems to HAVE changed the main page) - I hope there was no harm done and I'm really sorry about that. In any case, if we carry on importing Spelljammer Wiki some time in the future, I would be happy if you might find a non-manual solution some time. But now there will be lots of work for adapting the stuff from Chronicles of Astinus :-). I also made a page Dungeons and Dragons Wiki:Chronicles of Astinus (in accordance with Dungeons and Dragons Wiki:DnDWiki/Dungeons and Dragons Wiki:DnDWiki import).
One problem I could not solve: I could not import Template:Pantheon of Dragonlance because it is so large. Would you have any idea how to solve that? Thanks in any case. Daranios (talk) 18:01, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

By the way: Would it be possible to upload svg-files? This seems to be possible at Wikipedia, but not (yet) here. I would be interested in: Ansalon Post Catacylsm. Thanks a lot for giving it a thought! Daranios (talk) 16:06, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
That template is really nasty. I'll see what I can do about it, but it depends on a lot of stuff that we don't have. I can enable svg rendering and hopefully it won't put too much of a strain on the server -- to be honest, I never even realized it was turned off. I might not even have to install anything extra. Surgo (talk) 19:30, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
Holy crap that template is crazy. It's only used on two pages though, and going without it or working up a (less crazy and probably less pretty) replacement doesn't seem too difficult. Alternately, it could be saved as an image and loaded into the page in that format. Not interactive, but also easy to implement.
As for svg, if it's problematic we can always save the image to a different format and upload new format with the same licensing information. That might lose the image history, but I think it works out ok. - Tarkisflux Talk 21:01, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
Right! Just let me know if it works out or not, otherwise I will have a look to change the format. Thanks! Daranios (talk) 14:55, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Rating Block Notice[edit]

Your rating of Creepy Kid (3.5e Feat) has been blocked and is no longer being counted among the article ratings. Please see the rating on the talk page to determine the block reason. Once you have addressed the cause of the block, generally by updating the rating in some fashion, please delete the "|block=<-reason->" line so that your rating will be counted again. You may also remove the block parameter if you feel it was not applied in accordance with our guidelines. Assistance editing your rating may be found here. Feel free to delete this notice at any time.

Adoption[edit]

Can I get your get your blessing to adopt the S'uuisku (3.5e Race) page? --Franken Kesey (talk) 15:24, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Rating Extension Tweak[edit]

A bit ago I asked if you could modify the ratings extension to update category/semantic tables or just "open"->"save" the associated article page without making any changes, and now I have an example of why I want that changed. Dark Sun Rising (3.5e Spell) just got commopp'd, and according to the article page it is in the Community Opposed category and also has the Rating property set to "Rated 0 / 4". If you go to the comm opp category, you will not see the page. If you do a semantic search for Rated 0 / 4, you will not see the article listed. If the article gets edited and saved it will show up in those places, but that doesn't happen all the time. These make it really really hard to track down things that should be removed per policy, hence my original request.

If you don't want to look into the table thing, could you just do the article save thing instead? Since the extension is already opening and saving the talk page, adding a call to open and save the article page without changes right after seems like an easy thing to bolt on. Assuming it works, and I don't see why it wouldn't, it would make tracking these things a lot easier. - Tarkisflux Talk 03:45, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Sorry I haven't looked at this. I'll take a look as soon as I can. We are running somewhat older versions of the software at the moment -- I wonder if an upgrade would fix this problem. Surgo (talk) 04:55, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
Going to guess it's a result of the stuff being added using the author template. The trouble with null saving programmatically has always been the race conditions that come with it; I'll see if there's a better way to refresh the pages. Surgo (talk) 05:02, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
I think I found a way to do this. Surgo (talk) 17:17, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

And we're back...[edit]

How's the wiki? Spammerbane was getting a workout there, but I believe I have CLEAVED AND SMOTE EVIL them all. What a strange thing, were our defenses down for a moment? -- Eiji-kun (talk) 03:36, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Yeah I was upgrading and turned Asirra off for a second...WTF man, how often are spammers pinging us? It was just like 2 minutes. Surgo (talk) 03:41, 14 January 2014 (UTC)


Edits Disabled[edit]

So I seem to be unable to make edits to pages (curiously though I can edit Talk pages just fine). Also curiously I can post new pages just fine, but god help me if I try to edit after. The error message varies slightly, but the typical message is Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in /var/www/w/includes/parser/Preprocessor_DOM.php on line 1073. Any ideas? -- Eiji-kun (talk) 02:33, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Can you edit them while logged out? I'll try upgrading a couple extensions that might be causing trouble and see if it changes anything. Surgo (talk) 02:53, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
I'll be on chat for a bit, let's try to fix this bug. Surgo (talk) 02:57, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
Not mibbit chat, but I can get on AIM via my phone. Moment. -- Eiji-kun (talk) 03:02, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
Don't worry about it. I've reproduced and will keep testing on this end. Surgo (talk) 03:03, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Slow Loading[edit]

The wiki has been loading pages slowly for about a day now (30 seconds to a minute to load a page). Got any ideas on why this might be? --Ganteka Future (talk) 22:00, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Looks like I'll need to reinstate my "restart everything at regular intervals" script. Surgo (talk) 03:18, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
And we'll go back to looking for which page is breaking everything again. Maybe I should just convert all of the nav pages to shorter formats with "further results" links already... - Tarkisflux Talk 04:03, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
I'd be surprised if it was any particular page this time...the process happened so slowly it could just as easily be a bug in lighttpd or whatnot. Surgo (talk) 05:18, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Ping[edit]

Hey Surgo, the User Navbox JS stuff is ready: Talk:Main_Page#Please_take_NavBoxes_out_of_articles._.28Just_in_case.2C_this_is_NOT_an_April.27s_Fool.29. --Aarnott (talk) 15:10, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Hey, I'll add this in and test it when I get back from travelling on Thursday. You can do it yourself if you want though, as an admin I believe you have access to MediaWiki:Common.js. I only don't want to do it now because I want to be able to test it a bit :/ Feel free to splice it in before I get home if you have access, otherwise I'll do it as I can test it. Surgo (talk) 07:05, 12 April 2014 (UTC)


Phoenix Knight[edit]

The class you requested is about 50% done now. Just updating so you know im still working on it. --Leziad (talk) 05:00, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! :-D Surgo (talk) 15:44, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Comm Opp / Fav Category and Ratings Code[edit]

Did you ever update the "add ratings" code so that it re-saved the article page that we talked about. You figured out an alternative to my proposed open / save without changes plan to update the tables, but I don't know what it was. I ask because I'm not seeing the newly opposed articles in the Community Opposed category (it shows on the article, but the article isn't listed in the category page), and I don't want them to get lost or missed in general. - Tarkisflux Talk 16:42, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Oh man I don't think I did. Urgh, I don't even remember what the alternative was now. Surgo (talk) 17:12, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Asirra Issue[edit]

Had a non-registered user come into IRC today and post that they couldn't create a new page due to an error with assira:

Fatal error: Call to a member function xpath() on boolean in /var/www/w/extensions/ConfirmEdit/Asirra.class.php on line 52

--Havvy (talk) 00:03, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Acknowledged. Will fix tonight and if I can't, disable it entirely until I can fix it. Surgo (talk) 01:13, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
Ah, fuck. Asirra shut down. Need to find a replacement. Surgo (talk) 02:39, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
I turned on recaptcha. People should at least be able to register now, but be aware that recaptcha is way fucking worse than Asirra ever was and we're probably going to get some spam. Unless I get some time that I don't have to improve the ConfirmEdit extension, I'm afraid we're in a bit of trouble. Surgo (talk) 03:43, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
If anyone's looking for a programming challenge btw, please patch the ConfirmEdit extension to implement some kind of exponential backoff. Shouldn't take more than a day, depending on your familiarity with PHP and the algorithm itself. Surgo (talk) 03:44, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Capcha stuff[edit]

Found places I could work in an exponential backoff, haven't done it. Also found this that just disallows users with insufficient edits from posting outside links at all. It's probably easier to just do that one if spam becomes a problem. - Tarkisflux Talk 20:27, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Replace Text / Template Update Jobs[edit]

I setup 2 replace text jobs last night, and neither has started yet. Did something break? - Tarkisflux Talk 20:10, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Das bump. Still nothing showing for those replace jobs. - Tarkisflux Talk 16:30, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
It's been 5 months, and those jobs never showed up (I forgot what they were even :-( ). Neither has the new one I triggered. And I actually want this functional so I can do work on redirects to remove some search barriers. Can you get this reinstalled or fixed or something please? - Tarkisflux Talk 03:25, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
I've updated the extension. Does it work now? Surgo (talk) 07:52, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
It's accepting jobs, but still not running them. Which is what it was doing before. Maybe an issue with the jobs queue? - Tarkisflux Talk 00:09, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
Job queue investigation bump. - Tarkisflux Talk 21:23, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
In case you're kind of around again, I wanted to bump this. The replace text plugin is still not behaving. The form fills out nicely and generates the appropriate items and submits properly... but the jobs are never run. It also looks like the template update jobs aren't running properly either, though that's harder to quantify.
Anyway, If you're doing some work around here it would be nice if those were fixed too. There were some issues with jobs in Mediawiki 1.22 a couple of years ago (when I first noticed this broke), but as we're on 1.26 now it might be as simple as updating some vars that I don't have access to. - Tarkisflux Talk 17:55, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
Variables set. Job queue running. Looks like we've got a couple years of backlog. Surgo (talk) 19:29, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
Should be done. Surgo (talk) 19:30, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

We're back![edit]

Surgo saves the day! -- Eiji-kun (talk) 02:14, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Surgo saves the day again! Seriously, thanks for the rapid turnout sir. I salute you! -- Eiji-kun (talk) 04:52, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

Good news[edit]

I recreated my FE variant rule IN MY SANDBOX so you can praise me now (in evil voice:) or else the potato monster will come to your house while you are sleeping and eat you alive XX the memenist Xx (talk) 16:28, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

Good. Keep doing that. Surgo (talk) 17:48, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

Password Reset Error[edit]

Hey Surgo, it's my annual "change all the passwords" marathon and the wiki is giving me the following error when it tries to email me a temporary new password (after clicking "forgot password" in the login screen): "Error sending mail: Unknown error in PHP's mail() function." A brief google search made it seem unlikely to be something on my end, and I don't know PHP from PHB, so I'm alerting you to the issue. - Spanambula (talk) 19:10, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Definitely something on our end. Taking a look when I get home. Surgo (talk) 21:46, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
Email should work now. A system upgrade moved the location of the program that sends the emails. Surgo (talk) 04:43, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Surgo Contact Request[edit]

Good day Surgo, Larry Vela here, the owner of BoLS Interactive. www.bolsinteractive.com. I am trying to get in contact with the owner of the site to discuss a business proposal. Can you please contact me at [email protected] at your convenience. I have attempted to contact the site owner previously with no success.

I sent a message. Surgo (talk) 21:15, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

File uploads[edit]

Noticed while uploading an image that the stated maximum filesize is 2MB, but Nginx seems to throw a 413 Payload Too Large for anything over 1Mb. Probably some configs not quite lining up? --DanielDraco (talk) 00:50, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

SRD5 Namespace Search[edit]

Had a request to add SRD5 to the advanced search page, which I can't do so I'm forwarding to you. Should probably also add it as a default NS for search from the upper right box. Thanks. - Tarkisflux Talk 17:52, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

This is complicated. SRD5 was never created as a namespace by me. I'll see what I can do. Surgo (talk) 04:13, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
Done. Some old garbo from Semantic Forms (which we haven't used for years) got moved to the mainspace in the process. If you encounter it, just delete it. Surgo (talk) 04:51, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
Thanks! The SRD5 namespace search will make it much easier for me when tidying up in the 5e/SRD5 articles.--Rlyehable (talk) 14:42, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Strange Activity[edit]

Who is User:Bigred, and why were they apparently promoted? -- Eiji-kun (talk) 03:27, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

It's intentional. I'll give more details soon. Surgo (talk) 04:45, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
Coo'. Just wanted to rule out name hijacking or something. -- Eiji-kun (talk) 05:37, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
Is it Santa, coming to give us prezzies? --Sulacu (talk) 06:52, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Best Wishes in the Future[edit]

I am sorry to hear of your lessening impact on the site. But I am glad that you have the opportunity to follow your happiness. I wish you all the best. With respect --Rlyehable (talk) 00:22, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

No, thank you for the 5e SRD work! Surgo (talk) 00:22, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Seven years of Smooth Sailing[edit]

Thanks for all the effort in keeping this boat afloat. Don't be a stranger, now.

Much love. And stay away from buses. --Sulacu (talk) 08:36, 7 December 2016 (MST)

Thanks[edit]

I noticed you moved my maneuver, and given its nature, I was worried it was probably jut too OP, but I guess my drowsiness resulted in the oversight of actually listing it as a maneuver and giving it the proper breadcrumb. Thanks for doing that for me with no other questions asked. You're a saint, my dude. -SecondDeath777 16:47, 28 October 2017

Unwanted IP Edits on a Page[edit]

Good to see you are still kicking. The behavior referenced in the header has been going on for a couple of weeks now on the Yuan-ti (3.5e Race) page, as a quick glance at the version history will demonstrate. I would like to request an edit lock to prevent this from happening in the future, as the edits from the IP are to negate most of my work and instead add +2 to three stats and 40 ft base speed for no justifiable reason. Let me know if you need any action on my end to help this along. - TG Cid (talk) 04:43, 24 April 2018 (MDT)

Blocked Notice[edit]

I completely rewrote the Evolutionist (3.5e Racial Paragon Class).--Franken Kesey 10:09, 2 April 2019 (MDT)

Your rating of DPR (3.5e Guide) has been blocked and is no longer being counted among the article ratings. Please see the rating on the talk page to determine the block reason. Once you have addressed the cause of the block, generally by updating the rating in some fashion, please delete the "|block=<-reason->" line so that your rating will be counted again. You may also remove the block parameter if you feel it was not applied in accordance with our guidelines. Assistance editing your rating may be found here. Feel free to delete this notice at any time.--Franken Kesey 12:05, 8 May 2019 (MDT)
These blocks have been inappropriate and outside the scope of what is allowed for blocks, which require substantial revision. Blocks have been undone because they do not qualify. Surgo (talk) 15:31, 8 May 2019 (MDT)
Your rating of Biological Reconstruction (3.5e Power) no longer refers to the current power. Please rerate.--Franken Kesey 18:12, 1 July 2019 (MDT)

Racism, etc.[edit]

This page is racist User:Cedric/typecasting, this page is homophobic User:Cedric/Færy, this page is transphobic User:Cedric/Feywild, and this page is sexist and idiotic User:Cedric/sex. By keeping these articles on the wiki, they are being endorsed. This is a D&D wiki, not a nazi wiki. This wiki should not be associated with white supremacy!--Franken Kesey 04:42, 3 April 2019 (MDT)

You need to look at the recent changes on the typecasting page. Direct quote from Cedric: "Would you put a white player in a "black" role or a nazi in the role of a jew and expect it to turn out well?" All the above pages need to be removed.--Franken Kesey 14:33, 8 April 2019 (MDT)
In my opinion there's nothing on the Faery page to indicate homophobia, but otherwise I agree with Kesey's analysis of those other pages being problematic and potentially offensive. Geodude671 (talk) 18:23, 8 April 2019 (MDT)
Fairy quotes: "They are the only race which does not specialize into a class. They do not have an infant stage, depending on how they are created. They only(?) age if they believe in it or they don't find an adult partner committed to them to be their sponsor-protector."
"Faery mates don't have babies as normal, they're somewhat neuter anyway, and instead they must wish for it and wait to find the child inside a flower before bloom. Faeries know where to find gemstones scattered in the realm, if they're not buried deep into mountains. Getting that information out of them, however, is a whole other encounter. Trickery is generally required."
Outside of the "fairy" name, which is problematic, it implies that being gay is inferior to all other races throughout the text.--Franken Kesey 18:42, 8 April 2019 (MDT)
I'm not super familiar with the folklore surrounding fairies, but from what I do know, those quotes seem pretty in line with a reasonable portrayal of that race. Cedric did say that the page was explicitly for gay players, but I'm arguing that there's nothing on that page itself that would indicate that. I understand why you interpreted the quotes you presented the way you did; I just disagree that that is the only possible interpretation of those quotes. Geodude671 (talk) 19:43, 8 April 2019 (MDT)
Just found a lower case aryan page that slipped past us which is found here: User:Cedric/aryan. Also his african race link and some stats can still be found here: User:Cedric/Races.--Franken Kesey 11:02, 9 April 2019 (MDT)
It has been well over the week you granted to Cedric, and his stuff is still here.--Franken Kesey 09:21, 25 April 2019 (MDT)

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Acknowledge that the user is banned (for racism and trans-phobia), and all his stuff is sandboxed. But why even keep this material. It is not as if he created anything which is usable. A simple warning of: "This is a D&D wiki, not a racist wiki. Go elsewhere if you wish to spread white supremacy propaganda." would do. What possible benefit is there on keeping this here? There is not good reason to keep all the links to his Aryan, Arab, etc. articles.--Franken Kesey 10:45, 29 April 2019 (MDT)

All of his stuff has already been deleted, we only keep the user page and talk page around for more or less archival purposes. It all dead links and literally nobody but you even care a little at this point. Please, stop harassing the admins over a banned user. Just let it go. --Leziad (talk) 11:33, 29 April 2019 (MDT)

Review/Rating Request[edit]

I have made a lot of new stuff this last month, but have mostly focused on perfecting a few key articles. Thus would like your perspective of the following articles: Wildknife (3.5e Class), Judge of Existence (3.5e Class) and Biological Reconstruction (3.5e Power). Thank you.--Franken Kesey 13:00, 14 April 2019 (MDT)

Image Spam Filter[edit]

Several users are having problems doing the right thing and adding links to uploaded images. Per guidelines the source of an image must be mentioned (unless you are the author), otherwise there is a potential for copyright infringement. There arises two solutions to this: 1) removing the "https:www." from the spam filters, or 2) alerting users to remove that part of the link when sourcing whenever an error message comes up (i.e., adding to message when the site refuses it). Either option works, but inaction is not a good option, for it can lead to users deciding to not source their images -- which make the site vulnerable and is difficult to correct later.--Franken Kesey 18:54, 25 April 2019 (MDT)

Just gonna have to leave out the http colon slash slash www. There's no good solution for this problem. Surgo (talk) 14:16, 28 April 2019 (MDT)
That would be option two, could you add those instructions in the error message that comes up. I personally know to remove this part of the address (from trial and error). However, I have witnessed even admins not knowing to remove it (and deciding to leave it un-sourced). Thus an instructional message would help.--Franken Kesey 14:46, 28 April 2019 (MDT)

Fox For Admin[edit]

Due to his continuous high quality of articles across multiple categories and editions. Plus how astute his incite is in the realm of D&D, and how helpful he has been to other users in creating a vibrant site. Submitting Foxwarrior’s name for your consideration to be promoted to an admin. He would help grow the ranks of leadership which have been dwindling, and aid in the mountain of admin responsibilities.--Franken Kesey 13:35, 28 April 2019 (MDT)

Class Ability Types[edit]

Homebrew monsters and races can be searched based on type and subtype within the SRD section of the site. This is extremely helpful in finding particular kinds of creatures. Likewise, homebrew spells and powers could be broken down into schools and disciplines which could be found within the normal school/discipline pages. This would be easy to implicate.--Franken Kesey 18:47, 3 May 2019 (MDT)

Heads Up[edit]

You just blocked Ganteka Future's IP address. Thought you should know.--Franken Kesey 08:16, 6 May 2019 (MDT)

No I didn't. Surgo (talk) 08:41, 6 May 2019 (MDT)
Do not want to broadcast how I know or where it is. First because it is personal info, and second because the noted author is awesome! Further, do not really care if you do or do not block an IP address. Just giving you info.
Sidenote, because others can see this conversation and thus may be able to link users to IP, it may be wise to remove this conversation completely.--Franken Kesey 08:47, 6 May 2019 (MDT)
Ganteka just made a new article the other day, so if I banned him I sure did a poor job of it. Surgo (talk) 11:45, 6 May 2019 (MDT)
Again, not my fight. You blocked his home IP and reverted some of his edits. He can still edit by logging in as normal. This will only affect his ability to edit in the future from home. Doubt it, ask him what pages he edited recently. He is a very good author.--Franken Kesey 17:44, 6 May 2019 (MDT)
I haven't blocked anyone in almost a month, so I have no idea what you are talking about. Furthermore, Ganteka has my phone number. If he is blocked, he can text me about it. Surgo (talk) 17:48, 6 May 2019 (MDT)
Boo. --Ganteka Future (talk) 18:04, 6 May 2019 (MDT)

Disciplines[edit]

This is in reference to the Psionic Homebrew page. Added missing Psion Discipline pages. This groups all homebrew of the discipline in one place (instead of having to scroll through a massive list. However, the Psion Discipline lists are mixed with psychic warrior and psion/wilder lists. Would like to separate disciplines from the larger lists (into a new column), do you approve of this? --Franken Kesey 18:25, 12 May 2019 (MDT)

Same question, different day.--Franken Kesey 11:01, 21 May 2019 (MDT)
Thank you for adding. Will save significant time in the future.--Franken Kesey 17:21, 29 May 2019 (MDT)

Community Opposed Tags[edit]

The Community Opposed guidelines state: "If an article has this status for one week, it may be moved to a sandbox of the author's user page without further notice." Taging articles with a template helps people find community opposed more quickly. In the past some articles have fallen through the cracks, and been community opposed for years. But if winter cleaning is not the right template, what is? Incomplete and delete seam inappropriate, is there a better one?--Franken Kesey 11:01, 21 May 2019 (MDT)

There is no appropriate template. It is already easy to search for community opposed articles, a template to collect them is not necessary. Surgo (talk) 11:04, 21 May 2019 (MDT)

Adapter to Co-Author[edit]

At what point does an adopted article become a co-authorship? If the original theme is similar to original, but the mechanics drastically fixed is it more a collaboration?--Franken Kesey 12:51, 7 June 2019 (MDT)

Do you have an example? Surgo (talk) 13:09, 7 June 2019 (MDT)
Pantheren_(3.5e_Race), check edit history from 26 January 2011‎ to 7 June 2019‎.
And Evil Clown (3.5e Class), from 23 December 2010‎ to 1 June 2019‎.--Franken Kesey 13:15, 7 June 2019 (MDT)
Adopters don't become co-authors; co-authors are when two separate people collaborate to create something. Adopters are...when something is adopted. Surgo (talk) 13:21, 7 June 2019 (MDT)
What if the original author started collaborating with someone, then decided to sandbox, then gave it to the person they were collaborating with?--Franken Kesey 13:25, 7 June 2019 (MDT)
Did that happen here? Surgo (talk) 13:26, 7 June 2019 (MDT)
With the evil clown, yes.--Franken Kesey 13:30, 7 June 2019 (MDT)
Sidenote: Some of the conversation started on the paleo wiki. A brief summary was that I stated that the class was incomplete there, then DanielDraco sandboxed. Then we started working on it.--Franken Kesey 13:35, 7 June 2019 (MDT)
If they post here saying co-author is fine, then it can be updated, otherwise leave it as-is. Surgo (talk) 13:35, 7 June 2019 (MDT)
Author is no longer active. He did give permission edit.--Franken Kesey 13:39, 7 June 2019 (MDT)

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Major changes were made to the evil clown in particular. I noted them in the talk page.--Franken Kesey 13:42, 7 June 2019 (MDT)

I don't think "no longer active and gave permission to edit" implies co-authorship, but it does imply adoption. If they post here, co-authorship will be fine. Otherwise, it should remain adoption. Surgo (talk) 13:43, 7 June 2019 (MDT)
Understood.--Franken Kesey 13:44, 7 June 2019 (MDT)

Password Reset and Email Issues[edit]

I seem to have forgotten my password, but whenever I try to reset it, I never get the email with the link to do so. I created a second account just so I could get in to report the issue and there seems to be an additional error where the system can't confirm email addresses. My original account is Halloweenman33. Halloweenman33.5 13:00, 2 March 2021 (CST)


Respond to my questions on the Same Game Test. I'm not going to tell you again.

Module List (1e)[edit]

Hi,

I was reviewing my old modules and the list on the Wiki and noticed that S1 and S2 are missing. I have them in my possession and would be happy to add them to the Wiki, but don't know how to update the table. Is that something I can do with my existing preferences? Thanks for your time.

Rufus69Firefly

Yeah I can show you how to do that -- what page is it exactly? I'm having trouble finding it. Surgo (talk) 02:49, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
Thank you. The page is https://dnd-wiki.org/wiki/1e_Modules
Ah, I see. Thanks. It would be super helpful for you to add them! How this works is not immediately obvious, but it's pretty simple. Just create a page like Publication:Oasis of the White_Palm. you can copy and paste that page into the new page for S1 and S2 (I'm not sure what those are called), and edit the text in the page as appropriate. Once you save the page, in a couple hours the table will automatically update itself. Surgo (talk) 01:51, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
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